FloWrestling Radio Live Ep. 375 – Should Nick Suriano Wrestle At World Team Trials?

FloWrestling Radio Live Ep. 375 – Should Nick Suriano Wrestle At World Team Trials?


[Music] what’s going on everybody welcome to episode 375 of flow wrestling radio live I’m your host Christian Pyles joined as always by my mainest man I don’t know why I say always anymore I’ve got to find a way to actually describe when and the frequency in which we get predominantly joint we are predominantly joined more often than not you are here but there are times you are not here so it’s probably been like 368 out of 375 shows no chance but a high percentage certainly over half which means predominantly would apply we have Stephen Kyle Brockie he’s here he’s joined by the eagle and the Bronco to majestic animals and to my left the wrestling Nomad Danny Roy Lobdell jr. the wrestling Nomad howdy follow him on Twitter Instagram and Napster you have a Napster account yes big Napster you can follow him on Napster at at at wrestling Omaha yep so that’s it why they call it the Napster why does he was napping when he made it Wow yeah that’s not true when he thought of it and he thought of it yeah totally untrue okay beat the streets it’s amazing every year and it was amazing this year but I feel like the biggest thing coming out of it my own there’s two biggest things the yani beating the number one guy in the world the reason I’m not like that’s the biggest thing I actually thought he was going to I think you thought he was going to I think a lot of us and wasn’t just like we love America I was like no I really thought he was gonna win I think a lot of people did and gave him a good shot I think yeah I think there are international guys that will match up more difficulty for Yanni but I think batarangs won their it makes a lot of sense and it kind of the style worked for but David Taylor suffers an injury to which the degree we don’t yet know but we can hypothesize it’s pretty serious I do know that the next morning David flew to Colorado Springs OTC to be evaluated by those doctors so obviously really serious and you know in the first oil exchange and there’s so many things that make that strange one David Taylor’s like never been hurt ever like in a serious way that caused him to miss any amount of time you know about you and rasa well I mean he’s never missed anything yeah he’s just Russell I mean for years he never missed a duel in college to my knowledge he never got hurt in high school and then since then he’s been at everything he was going to wrestle at he’s wrestled at and wrestled throughout it I was wondering about that it was he ever possibly hurt I mean obviously not to the point where you couldn’t have liked where he was battling through injuries and we never knew about because he just continued to go and that was that was that was just his that was just his nature right like I’m just gonna wrestle through yeah so his sophomore year everyone remembers this match because he beat Brandon hatchet like eight two or something or he didn’t beat him badly he had he’s battling ribs rib injury I’m pretty sure at that point in the year but beyond that he’s never had like knee or shoulder issues to any real degree so he gets in one scramble foster gets in on a single leg and they’re rolling around he’s doing far ankle stuff and then BOOM and it’s bad right away and you can tell David screams out and I couldn’t believe when he tried to wrestle afterwards that was really sick it was actually like really encouraging I was like well they can feel the integrity of the knee and know hey is it all right well you can give it a shot it’s you know your knees intact but man I don’t I don’t know how much to actually make it that but then he wrestled for like five seconds and then has to default he could hardly move and uh overall really unfortunate Willie your thoughts on that and the Taylor injury in general well I watched it I watched it a gang of times last night and I mean there were they were definitely in a funky position but it doesn’t look like probably the worst position that he’s ever been in it looked like like I’m sure in the room and in practice he’s been in funkier situations with his legs all rolled up and stuff so I mean maybe I’m looking to be optimistic here but um I don’t know I don’t know how much you can tell by I mean I watched Kevin Durant last night I don’t know perhaps rupture his achilles on nothing he didn’t nobody touched him on a habit so sometimes injuries are freaky that way guess we’re just gonna speculate until we know certainly I hope that things are okay and you know immediately when it happened I was like here we go here here comes people complaining beep we’re gonna say he shouldn’t have been wrestling at a charity event you shouldn’t have been wrestling and it wasn’t that bad but there were a couple people that that did it I mean my stance is I don’t know you put you put a thousand hours in the wrestling room in grueling practices and all kinds of things to wrestle a 6-minute match and you’re probably more likely to get injured in practice than you are in a match I don’t think you can place blame I mean I’ll need to place blame on David or it’s certainly not beat the streets or flow wrestling right well I mean it’s the interesting thing about or where I I just disagree the idea that although this was meaningless this meant nothing or this I mean if it was meaningless why’d he do it if it meant nothing to him it meant something to wrestle it beat the streets it means something to be a part of an event that does something that helps kids does it lead to a world title no but is that the only I mean it kind of goes back to the thing we were talking about all season long like you wrestle wrestlers wrestle matches right this is the thing you do right and when guys were stuck in matches back then it was kind of like man this is not good I mean this is what happens yeah you can risk injury risk and Ramin Tooley he tore his ACL in a practice right his senior year of high school all these there’s so many injuries Kyle day he’s been injured in practice all these things happen they can happen in practice so should we not practice anymore either because there’s risk and there’s no there’s no financial gain for wrestling and practice but it’s this is the sport they’ve chosen and everyone hold on hold on does is it a is it a did it dawn on some people only after David got injured that you can get injured in wrestling matches is that a new thing that occurred to people what was that a surprise to you that injury is possible in wrestling matches including charity charity matches right that that should not be a dawning certainly didn’t dawn on David Taylor David knows the risks and it is not being I certainly you know I tweeted as much it was you know you’re sick to your stomach cuz you know David Taylor has wanted to be a world an Olympic champion and if this is serious if this is a torn ACL I’ll just give you the timeline okay he’ll have surgery soon and I’m not saying it is a torn ACL but let’s just if it is he’s not gonna he’s gonna be off the mat till like February and Olympic Trials are in April right that that is not that is what really set in my stomach and that’s why I was like man this is just de railing that potentially right and if Jaden Cox comes down it’s not going to be like it is this year this year the path to making the team for David is a little more simple but if Jaden comes down or Bo nickel comes down it’s a it’s gonna be a lot more hard and he’s got to be really really ready to make that team so that’s why I was particularly bummed out and you hate to see injury from anyone for anything in any match and yes I can’t appreciate that no this match does nothing beating Drew Foster means nothing for David Taylor’s senior senior level career I can’t appreciate that and it’s an ultimate kind of like a little more I don’t know if ironic but a little more sad that it did happen in match didn’t happen in the world Team Trials finals right it happened in something that he could have declined and it wouldn’t have impacted his long-term goals so I I can’t appreciate that sure yeah I just I knew people were gonna some people were going to say that these guys shouldn’t be doing it and and there it was right on keel but it was more you it was more muted than I thought it was but I think something to take away from David to or something maybe that I think is very readily apparent when you watch him and listen to him and it’s it’s a weird thing in wrestling man in that David loves to compete David likes to wrestle and that may sound obvious or like duh you know some of these guys I’m not sure if they like it yeah I think some of them I think they do it because that’s what they’ve been doing and that’s what they did their whole life and that’s what you’re gonna keep doing so I mean some guys and it’s in disputed indisputable based on their own actions I don’t know if you like competing because guess what if you don’t have to compete you off it don’t I think a lot of these college guys would be like a well put me in the aisle just if I’m there for the conference tournament that’s all that really matters right yeah so but not you know not guys like David I mean guys like Jordan burrows Ben ever every beat the streets event David you know even went to want to go to you regan last year he goes to rankings events you know some guys just really like to compete and i think that anybody is if anybody is play a Monday Morning Quarterback is saying okay that’s why you don’t go or David what were you thinking is a big year for you well like he’s living in his life he grew it he loves to wrestle yeah exactly right and yeah I think he said it well the thing for me that there’s two thoughts really went through my mind number one is when cuz we just talked about when guys have never been injured before what I’m concerned about is David losing his competitive of edge and by that I mean can I go all out will my knee be okay whether he’s gone for a week or whether he’s gone for a year the that thought in the back of your mind and and David’s a professional right he’s been doing this his whole life so he might not be one that that comes to but we’ve seen it in every level for guys of all skill levels when they come back from injury where they had mentally and how long does that mental recovery of I can I can go all out I can do all the things that I once did and I’m 100% fine and then the second thing to Willie’s point about loving to compete I mean David whenever whenever David’s competing he goes he you know make sure to tell his fans I’ll be here this is how you watch it this is the time I’m doing it for this reason I’m going for this title I’m doing it for this you know these ranking points and then the third thing it also illustrates the importance of taking care of yourself outside the mat right david has David’s probably second or third most popular wrestler in America right Snider in borough’s up there and has done well in terms of endorsements and and has you know m2 and his wife has has a right a store so they the point is like I hope these senior level guys are kind of looking at David and and learning from all the the ways that they can take care of themselves off the mat to in case things like this happen that we don’t want anyone to happen when everyone have long an injury free careers look at you talk about the no man you bring up the reaction to an injury I mean Kyle dick got injured a couple times and he is now like maniacal about doing every little thing right so I I think it helped him in a good way because he’s in a very great a very good place but you’re right that sometimes when people get injured they I don’t want to say get spooked but you know it’s a it’s they have to process it up here – mm-hmm so as far as I used the word process the process for David he has up until 48 hours before final X Rutgers to request for a delayed wrestle off now I don’t think I hope he wouldn’t wait that long to make that decision it seems like he will know the gravity of the injury at this point and should be able to make that hey I’m not I’m gonna need a delayed wrestle off here or you know maybe it’s something where he says I no can do not can go or maybe it’ll say I can wrestle it final X that would be the best thing sure but I just doesn’t seem like that’s gonna be possible at this point and we’ll see it delayed wrestle off where that would happen we never really know but we always prognosticate that it would be at Fargo just cuz it’s at then that’s where they did Marable that’s where they did Dayton’s junior world team Russell off last year so that would still be two months before worlds because Fargo’s in July worlds in September so still give him a long enough training period yeah you and you have until the like some right before they leave for acclimation camp to do it so theoretically they could do the rest this would not be ideal I guess it wouldn’t be ideal maybe it’d be okay but you could do it in September or like late August theoretically somebody brought up the point that you know Helen did her wrestle off it who’s number one which was two weeks before worlds last year yeah again like CP said that wouldn’t be ideal but like that’s how far into the timeline you’re looking as far as acclimation camp yeah yeah pretty wild okay so that was that was David Taylor think we discussed that enough certainly more to come there Jonnie does it again the match of the whole frickin thing is one we were the most excited about in terms of this matchup could be really interesting and he comes out and some of them I rewatched the second period again and some of the scoring really kind of confused me how it was called no I didn’t want to go there right away but yeah right I didn’t want to overshadow the that was a great match by and the scoring and I don’t know that the score I don’t know that the points that were awarded I don’t know if it would have made a difference but it was it was odd was it not like art like it was him yeah well yes watch it a couple times I think yeah there were a couple things where I thought man I thought badgering should have gotten too and then somewhere I thought he should have just gotten one somewhere yah it was but the ending sequence but ultimately feel like the better guy one the guy that I think scored more points one but it was it was a great match and one where we saw Yanni living on Bajor Aang’s legs he got in so many times and sometimes he scored something he gave up a chest rap but by and large he was able to get two legs and it seemed like posturing was almost leaving him open I mean he was getting in so easily so easily especially in the second period I don’t know if bothering was actually I think he might have been feeling it a little bit at least he is his positional discipline wasn’t there in the second period did you watch the the video that you dub did before no I didn’t watch it yet I want to so I liked it then and you doesn’t do it aloud and he did one for said-she life coach check this out anyway he says like his biggest liability is his leg defense and yoga swart Dutt who is Indian legend and a guy who Batarang looks up to when not quite his personal coach but a guy a guy who would change with frequently he’s like I need to get to duck’s level of leg defense to do the things that I want to do right which means world Olympic titles and I think we saw that here and I saw that when I was watching film of him beforehand when you’re talking about Asian Championships a Liev World Championships cuz look badgering wrestles everywhere – and Yanni was aware of that Yanni knew like I need to if I get to my offense I’m gonna be fine because I’m not worried about his pace really yachting himself so he’s not worried about his pace and he knew that and got to it but to your point he put himself in danger a couple times I didn’t know this but I would I was back doing it doing interviews you know so it was this room where there was the work they were warm-up area and also where they brought him back for a mix on for the interviews and I said to Donna be pissed off I’m like who’s who cornering whose corner and bass Trang and he said his name he said the guy’s had George in and he said that buying like trains with Russians and Georgians like almost exclusively like I mean not exclusively but more time that he spends in India and I didn’t I didn’t know that I was surprising to me so but yeah I think that you would think his level of defense would pick up if he’s working with it those in rush all the time because I mean they shoot a lot yeah his coach is Georgian though well it’s that’s correct so ultimately Yanni maybe the hottest wrestler in the world right now in terms of what he’s been able to do the last couple weeks when in the US Open beating the world number one he’s now sitting out to final axe and I just keep thinking about when when Thomas Gilman talked about his running in 2017 when you just get on a roll like that and it keeps rolling it’s hard to slow it down like he had all this momentum from trials and then he goes and he makes it gets World silver and I kind of wonder if we’re seeing something similar with yadi here where he’s just rolling right now and I don’t know if there’s anyone that’s that much better than him right now domestically that could derail there’s only one and there’s only one person that will that he ultimately has to beat whether it’s Zane or Frank or Jo or whoever emerges it 65 you know they’re they’re gonna be going against a guy that’s super confident that’s a crazy thing about wrestling man is you know and we’re starting to have such depth whether it’s at the college level or Olympic ladder or World Team ladder I mean Yanni’s great we all know he’s great right we all know he’s good but could you have predicted a guy that’s in these tight Affairs with Joey who didn’t qualify now for the trials and Ironman a month and a half ago and now he’s beaten I mean now he’s just I mean what I’m saying is if you’re if you’re that good and you get on a roll like he’s getting on a roll things can change quickly well think think about think about Kyle Snyder’s run not only did he not win not only was he pinned in the NCAA finals he lost in Nathan Burak and Morgan Macintosh that year okay second semester that happened he lost the kyvan Gadson twice that year okay within a month of losing to godson he beat Varner and then eventually he beat him again and made the team and then he won world he be caddy saw so at least we can say we’ve seen it before right with a with another transcendent guy and I don’t know why or how it can happen how does Nathan Burak beat Kyle Snyder three months before he wins well I don’t know I don’t know I don’t know why or how all I know is maybe it says one a couple things there’s a lot of really really good wrestlers in America that can push our guys I think that’s definitely true and I think it says that these supreme talents are not there they’re different and freestyle right and and I think maybe the lesson is in freestyle the better guys win more often than where as in in folk style things can be a little bit closer like with Ironman like with McKenna do you think I don’t think this is the case but I pose it to you do you think there’s anything do you think it’s Johnny just getting hot at the right moment or like really like hitting his stride at the right moment I don’t want to say getting hot because he’s always really good but do you do you think there’s anything to the fact that one Jonnie already won an NCAA title so he wasn’t that jazz to win a second one or two that he just simply likes freestyle more well he certainly does like freestyle more he said as much that’s not a mystery yeah it’s is there a motivation thing going on during that I don’t know I I don’t think it was that I think he came back late in the season he wasn’t great for a long time he didn’t look like Yanni for awhile there were a couple matches in there were like whoa what’s going on here I don’t think it was motivation I think it was it was it trusting the knee was it he wasn’t in great shape yet was it there’s a variety of reasons but I think you know post ACL remember a year ago he was just he had ACL surgery right so the fact that he’s this far advanced I think you’re just seeing he’s just more healthy he’s just in better shape he’s just been able to arrest more so that’s what I would attribute it to I put a lot of eggs in the the health basket not that yani was like outlook he wanted Sibley’s right so he obviously wasn’t broken but not getting a preseason a true preseason then having to make weight 25 times and I don’t think the weight itself is terrible free on E but it’s like I didn’t get a preseason my knees banged up I’m the defending champs everybody’s giving me their best effort and my weight is a thing well yeah I’m not saying it’s not a thing oh I know you’re not but I’m saying like it’s not easy it’s not easy right 20 yet 25 times right and I think that that month off or not month off but that month break to reset go ha ok this is the style like more this is the this is now I only have to weigh in probably six times over the course of six months or six months as opposed to 17 weeks in a row I just think if you set him and allowed him to to get back to what makes him great reset is probably a good work though – I think it’s pretty obvious for everybody to see that he has matured physically rather quickly has he not I mean he looks he looks really good size really healthy for the way I do think he looks big I think he looks big and strong it’s possible he was always a little more a little more physically developed than we realized – now that seen him because we hadn’t seen him against the senior level dudes I don’t think he’s like year-over-year like a vastly improved wrestler it may be maybe he is but I think maybe he’s been at this level physically we just didn’t realize it because we hadn’t seen him against the grown men yet yeah I don’t know it seems like he’s matured a little physically but a couple other things I wanted to share from back there in the in the warm-up room that I thought were interesting one was that badgering was like dejected like a shrank was in a state of disbelief that he lost he was he like could not believe it really I mean so I mean I think that’s important it’s important to say yeah he gave yachty what he had you know I mean he really wanted win that match and the second thing was that the the Georgian coach barrings coach he was kind of joke couldn’t smile in it about it but still you know semi-serious he goes too many weights too many weights and and like when Johnny’s about to do this interview and at first I didn’t didn’t register I’m like wait Jonnie Jonnie lifts too much weights I don’t know what you say and I’m like oh I know what he’s talking about the blood timeouts too many way too many wait times and I know that plays into you know when you have a great motor when you have you have a great gas tank you don’t want any stoppages I mean Jonnie during his interview there’s blood poured out his nose I mean they’re you know um but that being said I don’t think that I don’t think it really played into it do you think Yanni was fading at all it’s funny I am Johnny’s dad is his awesome awesome guy and he’s always like he doesn’t ever get too high about Yanni awesome dad very proud father where you don’t talk to him f you know I think those he’s like I think the blood x helped him I think the blood he’s always kind of like fun so I think they think it did I don’t know man I do think Yanni was a little tired but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t a persevered through it maybe it was a thing maybe not but I didn’t I don’t think that’s why you want I want to read so against Google Translate but that’s that’s actually a good thing yeah the Google Translate of anything foreign son riding is grave so his coach talked to rest AG after the match and said where does it start judging was not important already at the beginning the arbitrator’s began to behave oddly awarding the earned two points the badge ranked by his rifle which was just the scoreboard operator screwed up and put a four on the board when should’ve been a – there was no funny business there this isn’t Russia really ticked off about the arbitrator’s but I managed to challenge this decision and then there were pauses the American renders medical assistants then the carpet is wiped all rivals of badger rank knowing that they would not sustain his pace use the slightest opportunity to take a breather the judges should not allow this and here they clearly tried to help their compatriot but we were not very upset badger lost for a long time I think this defeat will benefit him let him learn to win in all circumstances so that shows me a couple things one Willy’s right they absolutely were upset and and yeah I knew that going in that like badger ranks taking this seriously this is not so sometimes when when there’s a beat the streets or it’s some sort of exhibition the guys don’t always take it as seriously as we see them you know later on which is fine because it’s right it’s it’s in May but bashing of stings very seriously but look bad leg might have been tired too he wrestled in Asia you know two weeks ago and then Dagestan a few days before this he landed at midnight on Saturday then wrestled they made Yanni way in twice so yeah yes what yeah that was the second thing that went through my head nothing to do with nothing but when he said too many weights too many weights I’m like Yanni lips too much and then I was like the dessert allowance that bad his rank didn’t like I mean it wasn’t the case oh okay so here’s this is interesting Yanni did do a satellite weigh-in and they didn’t trust it on Sunday because it was Cornell’s banquet so he was not there for actual weigh-ins so honor system on that one and then I guess there maybe there was a stipulation hey you got to be you can only be so many kilos over on the day of maybe maybe that’s what that means I don’t do you know anything Stephen Kyle I think they made him Wayne and Ken at the banquet Oh at the banquet yes so he made weight twice that day yes would that makes no sense very strange so anyway they’re taking this very seriously bad Frank does have a tremendous pace I don’t think it came into play in this match or I think I think if there was no blood time Jionni still would have won I understand that late in the match he gave up points but I don’t I don’t know if that’s necessarily his tiredness as much as just he put himself in bad positions now you could say you know mentally or physically tired you’re more likely to put yourself in bad position so I could get down with that but I just think if they wrestle again the match will go kind of similarly we’ll be close and I think that yani will make from the Serie justments but badgering will be but I don’t think Gianni will ever be able to blow out better I think badge rings – good and I don’t know if Johnny’s quite you know there right now to blow guys out that a world level I’ll tell you what though I mean he’s right at number one that we’re only takes a loss I mean there was a lot to like about what badger ranked first of all Americans I think do like like the hardcore guys like bass right yes and appreciate them and I think that if more Americans I think he’s probably more Americans will start like him now that they got to see him here but he also is like killer guy loves to compete competes everywhere and I think he took I think there was really good takeaways from him there what that one shot curse it actually on the call you called it you were like now bash Frank likes this little rap tie right he hit it super clean I mean you don’t see Yanni take it down cleanly it was straight to finish yeah it was a really nice shot he does that he did that doesn’t a lot of guys sometimes he times it so perfectly so couple more things then cuz I know we got so let’s talk about but apparently is gonna be competing three more times before worlds Dogu which is in July like the tour yeah like the twelve fish of June actually I think Poland or medved so not both no not both and then if he’s driving no then Indian trials and then an in world so we’re gonna see him a lot more and then as as far as if Yanni wins at final X I don’t think he’s gonna get a chance to face a Russian which will probably be each kind of a Rashid off and I think one of those two is is the best guy right now but I do think he could get a chance again if he wins final X to face Valdez the Cuban Valdez Toby Air at Pan Am Games who has won bronze the last two years and I think is one of the unquestionably one of the best guys in the world and a guy a guy of the caliber that Yanni or any of our guys will have to be to win a world title to day weigh-ins is crazy he can make 65 he is he was big at 70 yeah when it was day before big a 70 day before we’re gonna send we’re gonna send guys until I don’t know it’ll be don’t they don’t Russians off and go to Yasser W mmm no they’re gonna be in Poland know we should cordially invite them Russia we invite you to come to the dog now I got to look up do it real quick cuz I’m annoyed that I collected them the coach said yeah the calls weren’t fair and they gave the wrong points and they gave him all these extra they gave him all these extra timeouts and that’s why we lost but but I’m not mad we’re not mad what he knows that’s good story he’s actually started bleeding you know he’s up like wasn’t 12 oh yeah like and then Michael starts coming back and then he had a bloody nose and so they stopped it and Tom laughing what’s going on here crits off light looks over at Ryan he’s like he’s got a bloody nose tom has to do and then good as like what clean up quick Wow clean up quick that was an all-time story okay so yes a pretty good night for them by the way oh yeah Rutgers I mean they had Aragona astronaut wrestled pretty well the second period Nick one those guys were happy yesterday gooo July 11th to 14th that’s ranking series that’s a month after final X I’m a Geneva there and we’re definitely gonna see our Olympic weights at Pan Am Games August 7th to 10th so I imagine those will be the two things the world teamers will do prior to prior two worlds in September but I’m down and talk about Rutgers if you guys want to well we can get to him let’s let’s transition right now to to Nikki Nikki freestyle Nick Soriano got the win over Joe Cologne we thought it would be I think everyone here thought this would be a match I don’t think anyone here predicted a blowout or even necessarily a cologne win I don’t know if we ever did our funny predictions he said something interview like some somebody from addicted and he’s thinking of front well cuz that was in my story the bed I I made four oh right chicken with cliff fret well who’s who was adamant that he would be tech fond well colognes is boy I know but today’s what hey if he said he was gonna cologne was gonna way to be one thing but it’s like to be so sure these good tech Fossum was good what I’m saying is nick sorello probably doesn’t know that like that’s his boy right like oh it’s only a pic yeah yeah and front rallying on the payroll even though he’s oke the owest of geez so it was you know as far as that match goes I guess I’m watching it I’m like particularly bored but apparently the internet was was bored with Nick’s performance and Jose I suppose in there but I think Nick did what he had to do I think I will say this if if Nick is going to pursue freestyle he’s gonna have to make adjustments on his hands to the face behavior oh there was maybe one or two or seven it was it was insane but it was one of those things where you know until he’s really actually punished for it he’s not gonna stop doing it because it’s what sort of role reversal now right uh they used to be you put your hands in the face and folk style though just that’s not a big deal and freestyle they would always go in you know stop that don’t do that now he spent a whole year in college where they penalize anything near the face he probably stopped like I can open up now and here’s what I didn’t box here’s what I didn’t notice until Nomad put the video up I had no eye on me obviously I was watching I was on the call I had no idea that cologne completely turned his head I was like just focused on Nick he looked he did it wasn’t like a glance like this he wrote like an owl rotated his skull the world why are you going Nick’s right here Joe Nick’s right here guys frequently look at the clock that was one of the more egregious ones in the reason I posted the video is it was the whole thing because Nick perfectly stopped the the step out we’re not even to his foot didn’t even go like partially out were you kind of see like the half faint half out like perfectly matadors him out circles back in waits for Joe to look shoots and you know when you look away it’s a lot harder to stop shots yeah and I just don’t like reanalysis there I don’t know it’s like I don’t know yes a alright and you know cologne Turner says well I wonder how much of Soriano’s pace impacts things there – is this something where is he looking at the clock as man he’s tired how much more time do I have to go or is he looking at the clock because what’s the score or who know it was it was one one criteria was with Nick right yes yes okay yeah cuz Siriano went on the clock first sorry I did a tremendous job of this is like – what down he was saying it’s really a tremendous job clearing out of colognes underhooks he only really got in deep on it what like one time one time yeah got his elbow and he had him towards the edge he was a I mean it just shows how he to it one time and he was working from it and he almost scored from it that’s how good joke alone is from underhooks man he was ready and Syriana did take more leg attacks than cologne also so I I get the boring thing but look first of all that’s sir I’m like sorry I was gonna do what he needs to do to win and if he feels that hey I need to stay out of his underhooks and I need to pick my spots here and be smart that’s what sir I was gonna do this what makes him so great but sometimes that does lend itself to a lower scoring match and I think you just have to go in being like sometimes Soriano is not going to be you know far enough 1215 leg attacks yeah crazy I mean in retrospect I mean I’m watching the metronome you know I I know that Nick Soriano has great defense but I’m like man I’m thinking about the NCAA I’m like maybe even during the NCAA season I even underrated his defense you know why isn’t this guy shooting more why isn’t that guy I mean Miche only got it like once or twice and two matches or I guess the Santa got in a bunch but I don’t know it made me rethink some other NCAA matches of his this year were you saying Kyle I was just really impressed that because when he got in on that shot it’s going right where cologne is really good and we’ve seen him score a lot of exposure points from right there and for a guy like Nick who doesn’t wrestle freestyle a lot and isn’t used to that feel I mean he just hung in there and just patiently finished it was really impressive yeah you’re exactly right and you know what are you what would you say to Nick’s Orianna you get on the leg what do you need to do you need to finish quick you’re not finished quick he wasn’t able to finish quick he was the goalie right into the wheelhouse of Joe Cologne and he figured it out and and partially maybe see why Nick was a little more reluctant on his tax I think he he and and Dayton both man those guys let it go they’ve got such great leggett acts there’s they have the ability to finish they could let it fly more and and what I think that would enable them to do they wouldn’t have to they would be able to mess up some and give up counterpoints and through like it would be like almost no fish or like they’re through overtime more attempts it’s something like that Willie always said about Jordan Oliver the more attacks you take the more just things you make happen wrestling positions Nick Soriano Dayton fixer to come out on top of those so I think and they’re still very young in their careers if we actually have true perspective about it I think it’s something that they will definitely evolve and you know Dayton saying that at the US Open is like music to my ears I’m like this could be this could be the start of something huge for him yeah agree 100% and I was thinking the same thing over the past few days about them being young I’m like is it is it that they don’t want to make a mistake or is it just that I mean it’s crazy to think that they don’t have the reps to do it but maybe you know Dayton still only two years out of college high school Nick’s still only three years out of out of high school I mean the schedule still young yeah they’re puppies still I want your opinion on something that Kyle Schneider said recently which is and it kind of made me rethink my whole perspective when these guys entering the open he said in his opinion you should not enter the open as a college guy like as a you know 19 to 21 year old if you’re not ready to win it where you’re not just going to get matches you’re just going to get experience you are going to yani dayton like win it as or what he did as still junior eligible Europe junior eligible yeah what do you what do you guys think about that oh yeah because I agree with that completely because there is such value in I mean look at the junior field you’re gonna get so much experience wrestling those guys and if you can make a junior world team that experience I think I mean just look at the guys that are tearing it up right now look at Yanni look at Kyle okay Daten etc etc do you think that them making those world teams and getting to go on those trips and go to those camps do you know I mean how that probably accelerates I remember Colin Moore they said that him getting to do that if you look at Commerce redshirt year yeah it was not great if you look at his US Open after his redshirt year it was bad seventh he got seventh then he makes the team then he’s all he’s with Kyle and he’s on the junior world team and he just accelerates and then the next year he was third at NCAA’s and was amazing all year long I mean it’s huge for those guys so get Kyle’s absolutely right and that’s why I completely agree those guys should be in the junior field unless you’re a yani a datin whoever there’s other examples I am well there was I mean Dayton wrestled up I think it’s I think it’s okay to wrestle up if you have the right mindset you had to run it like don’t abandon your own age level for whatever reason maybe you think you’re too good or maybe I don’t know you think it’s really neat to I know I’m gonna do this whatever the case I’ve been dating wrestled up at the at the junior level at the open the one year and I think he beat me Chooch in the finals he was still cadet and then he went then he just beat him in the junior trials and Dayton went back down and won the cadet trials but I think Kyle’s right like oh those guys the aforementioned guys they went in there no one they could win one in the win Dayton went there last year that second I made the finals right so it just really changed my perspective because I’m always thinking about it from the lens of how are we gonna beat Russia and when I see the acceleration that their guys make in that approximate junior age from 18 to 21 where I see guys and I’m like this guy was on their team or you know he wrestled junior euros or he was you know got a medal at their their junior nationals and then in a year or two they’re beating senior level guys good senior level guys I’m like why are we not encouraging our juniors to you know they can’t win to get those reps against senior level guys because I’m always like why don’t returning world medalists get a bye to the junior try smile so they can try their hand at at seniors and the one that sticks out for me this year would have been Aaron Brooks so I think Aaron Brooks could beat out steering-oar no but I like to see him get more senior level reps absolutely so now that was where where my head was at but but Snyder kind of made me rethink it but I do think there’s there a development that we need to that our junior level guys I hope they they can maintain that trajectory because that’s that’s how we’re gonna need to continue to beat Russia going forward that’s a perfect one he’s the guy that stuck at stuck out when we’re talking about this Aaron Brooks you think it’s good bad or otherwise thoughts on him staying in his junior division no it’s good I’m glad we’re I think we’re meet oh yeah it’s good that he did back to Soriano real quick the speculation immediately turned to well is this guy gonna make a run at trials he’s qualified because he won in ca’se to wrestle two World Team Trials I think it’s a possibility we see him in in Raleigh and I also think it’s a possibility we see him down at 57 I don’t know that for sure but I know that’s a consideration I think Nick was super vague in my interview with him he couldn’t get a straight answer from as far as his intentions and I wasn’t able to really get a straight answer after either so I don’t know what the plan is there but I know that they wouldn’t rule it out so I’m not ruling it out either I hope it happens all the interviews at beat this you don’t notice because everybody’s happy and it’s just relaxed and the pressure is less I don’t know I don’t know what it was but all the interviews were really good and this pertains to Jaden and Soriano Jaden was like prick facing Jordan Burroughs for like revitalizing the team and and stuff and he was saying that you know that Jordan being there in wrestling taken and Taylor and then Taylor and Jaden had battles and he’s saying that competition you really revitalized everybody and made them work harder the same thing I think at 57 all those guys I mean I hope Nick goes there I hope you know they’re all gonna make each other work harder whether it’s a Tanner Spencer Thomas Gilman or Nick Soriano you know it’s it’s good to have that those guys all in the mix yeah so I I hope he does do it and I thought seeing him wrestle and I know the weight allowance and situation was different it’s not like it’ll be senior level but I thought he looks small compared to Cologne colognes colognes uh issue cologne might be a 57 come Olympic time yeah I don’t think he’s going up I think he’ll have to figure out a way to shrink his body but I thought a lot of those sixty ones are I think pretty much every sixty one has to go down there’s not there’s not a sixty one where I’m like he’ll go up and be with Yanni and saying I think they’re all way too small but it could be could be not thinking about someone but I think they’ll all like even the Sean he’s got to go down he can’t be a 65 so we’ll see what happens there I think we’re just gonna see a lot of really hungry 60 ones in 2020 um Jordan burrows wrestled been asked her and we didn’t talk about that yet I don’t know if we’ve said those words but it happened it was three minutes and 16 minutes seconds of action that all slightly favored Jordan burrows it was it was a back and forth affair not really I don’t know what you say other than oh what was awesome afterwards talking to Ben Ben wants to do this again next year he’s like but I’m not wrestling anyone that good he’s like but he does want to do it again so though that was cool and it was great to see Ben have a good attitude about the whole thing I think he hey you know I think that I think the salient point here to be made is that Ben Ben did a lot for the sport and in a humble way I mean it was he he knew that he was gonna get beat he’s a big star man and he he knew he was gonna get be and he knew he could get quasi embarrassed and he was going to do it anyway because he has the pool from another entity right and that’s just gonna illuminate wrestling a little bit more so I mean that dude in man I can’t tell you that this guy’s motivation Ben Askren how much of his motivation lies with he just wants wrestling to be as healthy and promoted and as popular as possible he is soul it’s like his main folder like the whole this UFC stuff everything seems to tie back to wrestling for him it’s really got the guys as pure a wrestling person as as maybe there is right this guy just loves wrestling and wants to see it do well it’s really really important to him and and it comes and it comes I think wrestling fans see that as well that how invested he is in the health of the sport but the times of him competing against the Jordan Burroughs of the world they are no more and he mentioned you know the timing and the set and he never even got Jordan there was some speculation maybe Jordans gonna let him get in some positions no he did not let him get anything new he didn’t let him tie him up there was no opportunity for him to do anything of any sort Jordan was not gonna play any of Ben’s games and make it interesting and mix it up he embarrassed him in the wrestling sense at least I yeah something I don’t I don’t I’m not saying person was like lying when he said there’s things but something seemed to switch where he’s like this is insulting I’m the king you know you don’t step on the king’s court if you’re not taking seriously you know I’m gonna mess you up now well they’re both smiling before the thing started so I don’t know how I certainly they both took it seriously but I do wonder something I think if someone asked us a very good FRL question do you think that Jordans seeing David get hurt was like I’m not mixing it up with this dude yeah I’m gonna I’m just gonna beat him I’ll let it get out of the first look that’s it if you haven’t if you haven’t watched that interview that’s not really an interview it was one of the coolest inter if you post match things I’ve ever seen in wrestling the Jordans go back typically you know you do an interview with one guy you do an interview with the other but bet is right there I’m like just go over there just just go at the same time and they nobody had to ask a question they’re just talking and they break everything down and and listen Jordan had a game plan right I the only questions that were a squirter Jordan was your plan to work from distance and Ben was your what was your plan your plan was to try to counter something he said he did end up at choke him out yeah so I mean George took the match seriously he was just not your presence and he wasn’t gonna play around he wasn’t gonna get in the positions in which he was could be vulnerable yeah so but it was awesome it was really cool that it happened and appreciative of both of those guys participating in it thank you it was awesome and I think the community really appreciate it even though it wasn’t exactly a a riveting match thanks to both guys because you’re the best Oh like Maz Modell’s but a screamer yeah he is so funny I mean obviously a pretty confident individual Ben Askren we’re we’re sitting there before we’re in the nya C basement where they have where they didn’t have practice and it’s me bo Nichols sitting there Amy his wife and Ben and we’re just sitting and I’ve been and Bo start talking and Bo asked something about his fight he’s like hey you got a fight or who you fight next or something like fight related and Bin’s just laying there he’s like yeah it’s gonna be really easy I’m gonna I’m gonna I’m gonna kill this guy he’s just like cat is like he has to be super easy and he’s like mm-hmm he’s like Bo you probably know this like you ever just put your hands on on someone you grab them and you’re like this person could never do anything to me ever anything in the world and so he is he’s like yeah he’s like that’s what he felt like well he rolled with him before yes they I bet there’s a not many guys Ben hasn’t wrestled slash put his hand so his hands on in some facet at this point in his career and yeah they I forget when it was I don’t know if he came up to Milwaukee or he went down to Florida or all these camps all these guys but they did a practice together and he said it was just like he just destroyed him so he yeah he really thinks it was funny because he says that and Ben’s wife is just like oh my gosh like rolls his eyes like this guy is so ridiculous but he’s so I believe so I’m like I’m like yeah he’s gonna choke this dude out in the first first period he probably well excellent Intel you just gave great betting info to all of FRL listeners well I’ll say this one I owe you some farms too so cash in get some farms July 6 but also he actually made that comment about if you’re put my hands on this guy I just felt like he could do nothing to me he said that in the press conference back whenever that was no so he’s made that comment before but you know how casually he’s like yeah it’s gonna be really easy it was that that was that was awesome Ben’s the best Joe Joey are gonna smashed Adam Busey yellow box jump he box jumped onto the stage which was yes it wasn’t big enough and I’m sure they’ll make adjustments next year so that you don’t have a couple people running off this off the stage next year thankfully no one got hurt and it was it was all good Mueller showed his freestyle supremacy over pitch he look big he I I said sit there on the match on the mat it was like he is so this is a different two different weights here I’m not sure if something happened with the plus three but he said he’s gonna wrestle 57 it in Raleigh yeah I tell you what he might have been the happiest dude in the building he was like on cloud nine that he got to compete and I asked him you know 57 he’s like yeah he’s like it’s not that bad in freestyle and but now my question for you is I think he looked great and he made a u23 team last year and pecking order how about what kind of shot you give him in a field with you know to make final X with with the killman’s and who else was in there dari Cruz and then am I missing to make final X I’ll be very frank Funplex Jack I love you zero to make the national team could he beat Vito could he beat Zane Richards right could it be Darien sure give that a serious chance well basically the question is can he beat Gilman I don’t think so I don’t think this time no I do not believe it at this juncture we do not believe that is possible I think respectfully I really like yeah I really like what I saw Nikki drops down there it’s even bigger problems for Jack me oh yeah tell you that right now why are you doing this do this for like three years and you won’t do it now you just bust it out I love it do you jack yeah well I do have a funny okay guys it is Mother’s Day weekend Sunday make sure you take care of your mothers because they put up with you they put up mine put up with me for 30-some odd years and rest of moms are the goods yeah they’re the goats for sure so make sure but I had funny Bob soriano story meet him he gave me a heart attack on Sunday the goal and say go and say hey do I mean oh we’re in the press conference and it just dance or you know we’re walking around talking to people and I see mr. Soriano shake his hand give out he goes happy Mother’s Day I’m like is that today he goes next week I’m like oh okay all right oh my god sure why he said that to me but maybe used to give me a panic attack you know I’m a nervous person sometimes but uh that freaked me out but I’m glad it wasn’t Mother’s Day because I would feel like I’d be in two dog houses because I uh I have a wife who is a mother of two and then my children and uh then I have my own mother so that’s that’s over too but now I’m out Bob got me out in front of this so you know sisters right there’s two brothers I have a wrestling mom store two from this weekend I was leaving the event going back to the hotel when I run into Ben Honus and his father Hannes and they tell me they were cool with me say it Ben Ben house is a three seed and they’re cool that they said they said their mother was she wants to rip my head off it’s always the bombs it’s always the moms you know who’s gonna be an all you know who’s gonna be an all time wrestling mom is Jessica Scott oh she’s gonna be a she’ll be a decapitare to tell you that right now and she probably if she’s listening to this she’s probably said yeah right here Montero whose mouse key I don’t I don’t know her she’s she she was pushing the stroller last year well Frank was wrestling Chamberlin and was more into the match than basically anyone that and obviously Frank’s her husband but like no she’s gonna be on one too did you say mizdow ski ski what at your head she said she is sitting out – with a bye – final act the wrestling love every time I talk to her we have great conversation but I remember it started years ago this is years ago during the rankings back when heavyweight was really really good Nick had not beaten anyone he was awesome but he the way he was ranked he wasn’t ranked all that high like he was like fifth or sixth it was the year he won NCAA we had like a back-and-forth this is back when we had comments before they got rid of those we’re trying to get him back so I go back and forth with Miss was skee very respectfully but it was not appreciated then she confronted me at the I think it was the Wolfpack open and then it was fine for a little bit then and then last year at final ex she’s berating me screaming at me on the call I’m commentating Nick just made the team he beat Adam Koon and she’s behind me yelling at me I’m trying to it it was a mr. Winn no no I didn’t know that’s why screwed up and they were going but Nana’s missus was a ski and I think her sister Nick’s aunt she’s they were they were why do you care fine listen here’s what here’s what is so baffling to me I can’t imagine the joy I would be feeling my son made a world team and the fact that I’m young and some numbskull who picked against your kid that’s where your minds going your kids on a world team and you’re yelling the firt your first thought is finally I can yell at piles that is all time for me that is that is uh you’re gonna start another war with her if you keep going yeah it’s gonna say what the what there’s nothing I can do there’s nothing I could say I’ve I’ve been nothing but nice to her I don’t I do not think it is open aggression to think that a person can lose a wrestling match I don’t think that is a war against a son of the gwizdo org Wazowski zhannar does it need to be established that nink Wazowski is insanely good at wrestling he’s a two-time world medallist he’s a two-time sinchon it’s established he’s amazing he’s one of the best in the world are you anti-polish we should do it poll she’s American what are you talking about our favorite our favorite wrestling moms we should put out on Mother’s Day hey there was some good questions this week though I know there really were congrats to Nick was dau ski on his dominant win over Derek white he looked great he’ll probably make the world team again as well I’m predicting that is what I will also predict hold on we should at least say something about every match that and James green one looks he was really moving Ashton all around earlier it kind of changed a little bit towards the second period I don’t know how much that was James just conceding positions so that he could uh you know just I’m not gonna take any risk here I’m up eight nothing it’s good enough but a tional will national told me he’s staying at seventy that’s his plan so we’ll see him in trials at seventy kilograms can’t wait for that Jaden Cox was just like pep rookies good and it’s just like he was you you you hear it often term like steps ahead of him it was just like he steps ahead of him in like wrestling like his brain was like I know you’re going here and I’m already here like before he finished the shot he’s Jaden look freaky something something changed with Jaden man something changed with Jaden I don’t know last year around trials after final X time or whatever Jaden looked tense and I don’t I don’t know he looked maybe angry I told him afterwards I said Jaden this is the happiest I’ve ever seen you do like you just have a fun he’s like that is absolutely true and and he also you know what I didn’t realize I’m just talking he said he’s only 24 years old does y’all here I’m sorry I’m sorry to laugh Willie no men’s well he just growled so loudly everyone run back 15 seconds hit that little back 15 button on your on the podcast app and see see if you can hear that growl when’s the last time you ate I bet this could be an audacious answer tell you what yeah that’s exactly right audacious take I was going to say he hasn’t said anything on tatius the whole show so your gut was like hold my beer all right I’m gonna get involved here all right CP people want you to Russell quizzes mom and beat the streets next I probably lose go she probably take me out there’s no doubt we want the funny thing about the quiz story back in the day this is what alright our our beloved Nick Valiquette who is no longer with with Flo but we still love him don’t say no longer with us which basically means he’s dead to us now ski so what happened was it was so stupid but before events back in the day we would pick like the couple people to be on the graphics or do a countdown for or whatever and before Vegas in 2013 when I basically just started I was like you should have quiz on here because he is the he’s one of the few guys that I really think can beat Tony Nelson this year and Bob I like went to war because I was like team Grizz all the way I like this guy he could really do it I think he’s really really special and Nick and I went back and forth and he wanted Nick souls are on there it was I can’t believe how how vividly I remember this but I like went to war and nick velakis is a person that if you arguing think I’m difficult to argue with this guy will take it will bring out the worst in you to the end here he is them all he’s the ultimate arguing he can get he certainly knew how to get under my skin at that point in time so we had a knock people rag out in Judaea he makes it terrible he will you could get in this dumbest argument over not an important thing and he will rip your life apart he will look up and find out you took guys see in chemistry and be like how smart can you really be yes did this yeah yeah like Nick that was six great people don’t forget yeah so anyways I’ve gone to war for Nick I’m Team Grizedale ski even though the family may not actually believe it alright how do you how did he do at that tournament by the way he lost Adam Koon okay he lost how did he do it NCAA is that year did he beat no I’m just curious how went how the next souls are do oh boys did better in gym I’m pretty sure you have no idea I have no idea but I was vindicated I was vindicated by NCAA’s because that was my point I was like we need we should be building gwizdo’s profile here because he could he could be a star down the line mm-hmm times I was right 2013 Nick Foles are won the tournament he did yeah can beat Mike Marino in the finals all right this is all alleged there’s no way to verify if that’s actually true all right two questions we were talking about Jane let’s get back to him Connor short asked a great question what were your thoughts on Jaden saying he’s the most underrated and overlooked wrestler of all time underrated well first of all I think in general with Jaden’s point I actually agree with him and it’s something I sort of talked with him about at the US Open so Jaden Jaden Cox is a world champion he’s a three-time NCAA champion he kept Kyle dake and David Taylor off teams those guys are also now world champions okay and then now he is a world champion so he has done he’s an Olympic medalist as well right so he’s done a lot of things and I think for the credentials and the things that he’s done I think he has a huge point but so if people are asking why is he not why is Jane Cox who is as good a person as there may be is in wrestling right why is he not talked about like a dega Taylor a borough’s a Snider even a Gilman right and I think there’s I think there’s reasons for it I think it’s a confluence of factors one Jaden is admittedly not a big social media guy you’re not a big fan of it he’s not out there he’s not someone who’s really particularly interested in in building a big social media profile i he doesn’t have maybe the full weight of you know the Rudess is all in on Kyle Schneider it’s just like he’s like a big ad in scrap life with David and and and you know I’m not sure if Jaden sponsors are like that forward with him in that putting him out in front of people the way those guys are additionally he didn’t wrestle for he wrestled for a power program but in terms of how much exposure the wrestling community having he didn’t wrestle in the big ten we didn’t see him that much if he wasn’t on flow you basically didn’t see and towards the end there you know they didn’t go to the scuffle towards you so you didn’t see him that much right you weren’t week-in week-out you saw nick’s rihanna austin de santo and david taylor and bone nip you saw these guys wrestle every weekend right on the big ten and it’s one like that for Jaden he also didn’t have a real rivalry with someone right he was just kind of better than everyone the Snyder thing never really morphed into a rivalry because was just the one year and then Snyder went up to heavyweight so I feel so go ahead it’s also one of the few that and I think you’re right on the money with all these I think geography is a big part of it too but he’s also one of the few guys when you talk about Dayton or I don’t know some of the some of the young stars today they wrestled everywhere like in high school Jaden we would see like great point we’d see a foot that Fargo and that was it right and and the other guys you almost kind of watched grow up that was something that I was not gonna mention well where he was he had this rivalry with Cal Snyder in high school but that was a that was about it and you know David Taylor from a more power state Ohio right more power program st. Paris cramps oh it even started before college I like ccp’s point about him not put himself out there and then to to Willie’s point earlier that he talked to him in this interview this is the most comfortable and happy we’ve ever seen Jaden and I think part of that is maturity right he’s he’s older now he’s out of college right so he’s he’s out of that realm and he is a huge influence to the OTC guys right that EAP program so he kind of has a more of a purpose now to to lead these guys and then take on shepherding the future generation and then he wants to be a big spokesperson for beat the streets now so he has not that he was purposeless before but he now has all of these things going in his favor that are probably allowing him to be more of who he wants to be a more comfortable in who he wants to be and then slightly slowly increasing his social media presence and being around more and then just we see more of him so one thing I said so Jamie is a guy that has a message and has a purpose and something he’s really really passionate about right I’m like Jaden you’re talking to me about all this stuff where can people ask access your thoughts you don’t put you don’t you don’t have a youtube channel where you’re putting this stuff it’s just like you just talk to people when you spread it and that’s a great way to do it but for as far as maximum impact right you need to put yourself out there a little bit more so I think he’s right and I do still think in spite of all these factors I think he is underappreciated and owner in the end the fact that that I think that Bo Nichol can make it interesting with him maybe that’s audacious given what he’s already proven he can do and I’m not sure Bo maybe he’s ready and something a point that a fine wrestling mind brought up to me and I won’t use their name here but they’re like what what is the track record for a guys with lefty sweep singles against Bo nickel and I was like oh wow yeah the heat Valencia absolutely destroyed him with this attack now that was years ago but I still think that the point holds and he hasn’t wrestled anyone like Jaden in a really long time so sorry to get off on that tangent there but I think Jane has a point I think Jaden should be much more appreciated and you know maybe that starts with full wrestling needs to do a better job yeah it’s tough listen we didn’t do a film about I don’t I know we did that’s one thing we did a film about him and I when I first saw that piece I was like this is amazing and it was like it’s amazing it’s interesting it’s and it was one of the like it didn’t pop that I never really understood will you’re you’re you’re right and when we it’s a funny thing was we have I want one thing I’ll say about us at flow we have great instincts collectively what is going to do well and what is not going to do we thought when we when Bader came back and we had the the Jade and stuff we’re like this is gonna be bigger it’s like Terry level big and we we put our full weight of energy and marketing behind it we thought this is gonna be huge and for whatever reason you guys did not consume it and appreciate it near at the level we expected into to this day it confusing things that has happened to me at this job the day we dropped that I was like okay we’re gonna okay it’s gonna go live in three two one and I was like bracing for like this influx of commentary and it just never came yeah it was I think you should go back and watch it if you haven’t watched it before Jim Cox Eddie’s up he’s always evolving too man he’s uh he’s an interesting cat Jayden has been and always will be one of my all-time favorites he’s one of the best there is and he’s one where I have so things called like flashbulb memories right where they stick out more for whatever reason and I have more for his like individual wrestling like three-second snippets of his matches than maybe anyone yeah right you have the forward sprawl when he back hooked the the his first beat the streets match where he back hooked the guy in where he kicked him yeah and just the way that he beat Brett Farr when I wrote that article that like kind of poking the bear that far was gonna beat him it son and scuffle so Jaden just has all of these different things and it’s just this confluence of when you have a guy who is tremendously tremendously talented within other with a coach who has a different mindset that’s really massive well for Jaden and then a guy who works so hard and like Christian says has this purpose and this this mission and and is very strong to his values you just have this incredible person but for whatever reason the masses haven’t latched on to him the same way yeah I don’t get it get get on board okay that was a good question next question given that the entire FRL team hails from back east with flow sports consider creating a small flow Wrestling HQ in a city like say Pittsburgh it’s closer to your homes and to a lot of good wrestling might save and a lot in the travel budget that’s from will the thrill’ band who I’m pretty sure he’s been communicating with my father who’s been talking about this since oh the dad moved here trying to figure out a way for us to for me to get back east but no I don’t think that’ll ever happen I think we’ll all probably always be in Austin Texas Never Say Never I’m sure it makes sense but it makes sense for us to be under the umbrella of flow Sports because there’s a lot of things that are happening here that you guys probably don’t realize that how much we work together with things that are non flow wrestling specific right so I think we’ll probably always be in Austin Texas and if I can’t be back east I’m glad I’m in Austin is it true that flow Nets next year is going to get rid of bout numbers and instead have gout numbers bold if true that’s from Chuck McNuggets I’m about gout free right now people give me a break Willie don’t Willie no no wait stop what are you talking about all right hold on Sunday good Sunday morning you’re in the emergency room getting 36 cc’s of ragu removed from your knee and I have the pictures to prove it 45 45 cc’s of prego coming out of your kneecap it was disgusting I couldn’t walk you couldn’t walk I didn’t go to Beatrice you were now free get mr. gelt free was on crutches Monday it is Thursday now he’s bout golf I’m good I’m good I’m gonna run a half-marathon at 2:30 Yeah right you don’t even day-by-day feel like an hour by hour hour to hour well here’s the thing I started taking the medicine they gave me I was anti medicine at first but then I couldn’t walk is better you maybe I’ll take the medicine so I can walk I’m not even you say what I want to say I know you say I am the dumbest yeah I’m the biggest idiot with intelligence I’ve ever met total idiot I – but you’re smart which makes it even more confusing I don’t ya know I got some stupid theorists like I didn’t want to take I don’t want to take something to take away the pain just take away the pain I want the bit Bru issue cause issue solved okay well now doctors didn’t say that it was just for pain the doctors did sometimes that was a crazy theory you made up in your own mind that it was only for the pain the reason the pain is going is cuz the gout is getting fixed Willie that didn’t dawn on you all right fine I’m good nurse are we away from Willie having a live-in nurse how many I’m setting the overnight none I was gonna say nine and a half years for a live-in nurse you say none you’re bad news no we’re gonna have living hell talking about I’m telling you get up changed my life I’m gonna start working out and I’m gonna start doing things right and it’s gonna be good it’s your gal was the best thing that ever happened to me speaking of the best example happen to you I did have a stirrers you know what I had that day lunch sushi didn’t our oysters that that meant that menu looked like a Waffle House menu it looked very risky it looked like a Waffle House a sushi place well it wasn’t it was a little establishment like the computers you got sushi at Hooters or oysters it no oysters hey hope that’s not code that’s not coach I miss references I was like I know it’s just the funniest part is that you don’t even know if it’s a reference hey listen this is not a question okay from the pit for the people is this question for me do you have a name picked out no no named Steve jr. no that would make you Steve senior not gonna be a journey what about what you just named him jr. jr. backing jr. Dale I think you shoulda saved your dog’s name for your child does Hank bratty would be bad once we just name the kid Hank rakion what if he was he’s a junior of the dog Hank jr. would have a great country music career I would I would guess mm-hmm be a family tradition some would say all right actually but while we’re on the gout topic Brock desert who’s a pretty good question asker says I know Willie gets crap about gout on here myself included but you mentioned you look a little slimmer last show would like to give a positive word and a congrats to getting a little healthier who would HR Hawkeye report have to blame if you weren’t here which is definitely true they would definitely find someone because those are some paranoid individuals who always have someone well no man would just take up the mantle I know mad yeah they’ve tried at different points in time they try to get most of us fired it’s the question if I died who would they start to hate flow there’s no question he just wanted to encourage you in your quest for health okay so thanks thanks Brock hello whenever I good Iowa and I run into a fan or dad or something they’re like you guys need to stop looking at talk I report guys there we we’ve know they’re crazy to it’s like well that’s right I’ve got I’ve done so much better about that there was a time listen there was a time in my life where I bet I I didn’t go three hours in a day without second I’ll Hawkeye report BWI the matte forms the wrestling talk comm I would just be constantly there all the time going now I still do a couple years ago I was able to wean myself off I vacillate between thinking who is the worst but I think the title is officially been taken the mat forums are the worst human beings on the planet dead they win because of commoners are still the worst but as far as message yeah that’s it the thing with Instagram is they’re just they’re just young and they got a lot of gumption the people well Matt formed gumption no it’s it’s bad dungeon Instagram is just that’s just straight-up they’re not Eve and they’re stupid and the problem is nobody has to nobody has to fact-check anymore like there is no recourse like if you’re just some Joe Schmoe on the street you’re a 22 year old kid that thinks your stuff don’t stink and you can say whatever you can just say whatever you want absolutely no recourse for it you don’t get in trouble people say to you go respondents say you don’t care be an idiot but the matcom has become just a troll central they’ll just they’ll just rile each other up yeah that’s all there I don’t go there except they put a whole area yeah anyway I want to get into it sometimes I get screenshots of the Matt forms in our slack channel that there’s some funny messages in there that I that’s about my only baby loves it so much Bay loves it I don’t know why he because he is at his very core a troll yes true well we’re so than a wrestling fan more so than a wrestling content or person human he is more troll madness at his very soul spay wants to troll people that is that is quintessential Andrew space vintage Bay who said something like I love to pack to go away on true there’s nothing I’d rather do I can’t I just don’t want to stop everyone what is your favorite thing about traveling for me it’s packing I love to put clothes into luggage I never want to stop it’s the best okay oh he’s going to Vegas he’s going to Vegas for a friend’s birthday I think it’s at Chuck E Cheese all right Peter spay yeah hey man poor decision on his part because spit when spay goes he goes turbo time he gets a little banged up even if he’s not part of the turbo team and spay is a house right if you’ve seen him space a big right big guy but when he goes he goes but that puts him out of commission he’s not a young man anymore puts him out of commission for a day or two and we’re going to Raleigh on Wednesday or Thursday he says he gets back to Sunday I think which is good and he’s gonna be recovering about the time he’s gonna have to leave his cell all right so every time he wrestles every time he goes on a trip with Bader Bader figures out a way they get a little wild and Bader makes him wrestling he has nose around on his feet cuz they wrestled in the South Point hotel room he has those skin on feet it hasn’t regenerated yet so he’s already he’s going into this Vegas weekend a little injured back to the questions I’m sorry I’m sorry but you know you love it I wish you knew spay a little better because he’s the freaking best why is Yanni asked Liam vote cloths at the grind 73 why is he only dominating so much in freestyle ease of scoring mentality well no if he’s dominating he’s beating really good guys ease of scoring uh I think that’s a good way of putting it it’s easier to score in freestyle but I don’t really know exactly why because it’s basically just neutral stuff it’s stuff that’s all available in freestyle I think just freestyle just necessitates more things happening and the more things happen the better things happen for Yanni mentality it’s certainly a big part of it the guy wrestles with tremendous freedom and confidence in all that so I think confluence yeah he doesn’t give me Scherzer like stuff like that that’s freestyle exclusive what Willy well also was interesting when he won in Vegas and he’s like this is this is my weight like it was interesting in that he believes he can go now yeah I didn’t know that he really knew that yeah it’s good that felt that way it’s good that he knows uh Adam Pressler supposing the two our way in for duels as well as tournaments is approved is there any good reason for coaches and teams not to feature the best matches well there’s not well he’s right but there’s also no reason the other times for them not to end with the most premier matches and they just don’t do it they want to start at one twenty five and in with Matt phosphorus Cohn and Jennings I don’t get it I don’t like it but it happens and forever reason that’s what the coaches want to do nothing we can’t do anything about it yeah I don’t we’ve talked about yeah um nowhere we don’t control Brad it’s s can I get some tips from the greatest mind in relationships at cabe rocky on how to start a family my dog and I are getting lonely I would not recommend using the dog what is your DNA a sick freak um I don’t know I feel like you should talk to Willie about the first date tips and then well him will circle back his question dodd does not lead to a family no I mean your first question I mean as audacious as my question is my first question was are you on birth control are you in the pill conversely the the alternatively worst question would be like can you want to have a kid with me yeah you don’t say that in the first date it’s a delicate dichotomy between sorry little can you get pregnant and can’t I impregnate you that you gotta find some sort of happy medium there okay if Trent Hyde Lee and Nick reenter the beefcake hang up to 80 497 who’s a better one to punch in the country than at those weights well I would like to submit to you one Maxwell Dean and Ben Jim and Darmstadt that would be a better one too and probably whoever Penn State has will be better just because I don’t know who it’ll be but they’re probably be really good just track record yeah I’m so far in freestyle mode I cannot think I know a little curveball there but we got to give the people love college wrestling got to give it to them I think that’s it what is false for graduates Nebraska’s Vince Schultz I don’t know that’ll be bad I think that’s Vince Schultz level okay last question from sparky-sparky boom man facial hair sparky-sparky boom man a world Olympic success right now in America forget about past potentials credentials for the moment who has the potential to reach the highest peak moving forward well maybe Gable I think Jane cocks what Sparky your hardest Sparky boo man just a funny name it’s funny and it’s funny because I wasn’t ready for it because his name is just Mac’s star yes normal but then I’ve read the handle it’s sparky-sparky boom man Willy can you help us get back on track [Laughter] he’s back he’s out other questions with friends Jaden maybe it’s jadynn you know jaden is maybe someone that can you know it’s he’s got to beat someone really good to make an Olympic team but I think he his ceiling is absolutely insane what he how he picked up Patrick brookie that doesn’t happen hmm I was talking with a little name drop here Pat down in the third he may be familiar with him he won the US Open he’s like I don’t even know how you even think you could try that he’s like I don’t know how he thought he could do that to him and then to do it it was like freaky it’s one of the more audacious throw attempts that I’ve seen the one no I sticks out my mind gets a laugh wrestle good D soft and I want to say Medved in 2016 and gets a loft ride like the straight over the top WWE suplex where if you like pause it at one point both people are like you know twelve and six and that quote didn’t quite go as expected neither did Jaden’s but just like the audacity to be like I have this much horsepower that I am a freak and can throw another two hundred plus pound human like a rag dolls insane biceps alone brookies a lot to pick up alright if you stay at the honesty’s can stay at 65 for like I mean if you can stay at 65 for a long time he could be the thing here’s my thing with that here’s why I don’t say Yanni even though maybe he’s like the best wrestler there is of the bunch in terms of just doing wrestling things I just think what when were measuring it feel like 65 always is gonna be insane and it’s just gonna be hard to have longevity they’re like longevity in that I go on a John Smith like run even though John Smith did it and are pretty pretty close to that way in 63 I don’t know that’s just my si thought like 65 this is always gonna be in flux I mean it’s been so in flux for for how long there’s like no order there yeah there’s been a lot of time he comment on that – yeah I need his interview he said you know he’s like we didn’t the open was fun but the goal is to be foreigners number one and number two is to bring stability at 65 because we haven’t meddled there so many years we haven’t meddled there but also like there’s no stability and the hierarchy of 65 yeah did the world level yeah I mean so it’s it’s wild wow what a show 933 what you got no man no one’s born in to say so I would like two things first of all I will be leaving shortly after the show we going to Women’s Nationals the event for Marino’s body bar so we will have cadet world team junior world team u23 world team for women you 15 also I believe does world team so if you want support our ladies go ahead and watch that you know Becca leathers and Mallory belted we just saw them beat the streets they used to make Junior World teams and then I just wanted to something that came out yesterday or maybe two days ago AJ Ferrari number one pound for pound high school kid in the country number one on 20/20 big board he put out his school list and then the next day we got a picture of John W visiting him so that is that is noteworthy some of these schools they have they’re very specific about you know all right this is the recruiting person they did that for John to do a home visit I think is it’s pretty pretty dang telling about their interest and investment in land and AJ Ferrari so don’t screw this up because I even wrote down I want to make these points to to the point of women’s nationals I’m Annie Lord 69 kilos candy blades 73 kilos two of the the best young talents in this country I would like to see them at who’s number one this year I don’t know if that’s possible given the weight difference but I think if we’re gonna have another women’s match to number one it should be that and then absolutely with regards to the the Ferrari thing he if you look at his school list and braxton a Moses school list there’s a lot of crossover so I think that those two are gonna play out there they’re recruiting gonna play out intertwined and that’s a match we might see who’s number one that would also be awesome and I know who someone’s about ways of ways but we were already thinking about it I think we’ll get that one for sure way a little factoid a little fun factoid for the fans love them me and Bader went up to Bobby bar one year on the way back we were driving through Waco there was a there was a there was a biker shootout oh yeah and there’s like ten people died or seven people died or something they just resolved it the other day like two weeks ago really not what not one human being was charged with anything they literally were like we can’t figure out who did what they just filed it under boys will be boys yeah Wow dead bodies everywhere they’re like well what are you gonna do they come back to court they’re like wait we’re still talking about this one I read that I read the article in like the prosecuting attorneys officers like yeah like no one will talk to us about like what they saw on everything so we can’t figure anything out it was just chaos snitches get stitches it’s true we’re just gonna give up on this and forget it ever happened yeah you don’t talk don’t talk to the feds okay that’s it snitches get stitches and it’s time to go Caleb right killed I don’t have to ask for it Caleb just new he’s new there’s time to go Sparky Sparky boo boo boo ban use adult names use the dole names we go in Tuesday Wednesday next week did you track schedule you know what we’re gonna ask him right now look we need to do Tuesday Wednesday because Thursday we’re headed to Raleigh North Carolina for that thank you so much for sorry we couldn’t do it Tuesday we were in the New York groove headed back now we’re back for now and thanks so much we’ll see you next time

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