STW #1: Dusty Rhodes in the WWF

STW #1: Dusty Rhodes in the WWF


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segment what happened when so hey Bruce what happened when dusty came to the WWF it’s 1989 I believe something has happened in Atlanta Dusty’s on the outs and now Dusty’s looking for looking for a job somehow he winds up in New York and everybody online myself included has always been led to believe this has one monument two rib what’s the story what happened to when dusty can in New York well I did him coming to me to New York was definitely not a rib I mean dusty coming in when you go way back alright and you talk about when Vince first started his expansion pre Hulk Hogan when Vince has this idea what he wants to do and he wants to have this mega superstar this mega champion this mega draw before Hulk Hogan that guy was Dusty Rhodes and they had brought dusty into Madison Square Garden he worked a few garden shots did very well superstar did some different things they even brought him into the Hit Factory which was the it recording studio in New York City and had him cut a couple tunes and things like that and you’re saying this is Vince junior not senior yeah well there is no bitch Jun you know e McMahon yeah oh my gosh the reason punk would say pretty sure did you you’re send you in here I like it she signs my phone too no that’s Terry Funk callin right there he’s not retired he’ll never retire so here’s my question about that in my head Vince Vincent Kennedy McMahon has always been a body guy how the hell was he infatuated with dusty back then well Vince was an attraction guy too while he’s a body guy and he was a bodybuilder himself he was that he was an attraction guy and you take a look at Dusty Rhodes and what dusty had done in Florida and everywhere that dusty went he drew money and that’s what Vince was looking for he was looking for that guy and in comparison to Hogan frankly at the time was probably more attractive because he had been all over the country already right and he’d headlined all over the country so when dusty came up they were gonna do the whole thing and I think at the time Dusty’s ego was maybe not quite in check so much that the dream saw himself even bigger than Vince saw him and and the deal kind of fell through and then of course three happened all Kogan’s on the scene and the rest is history so you’re saying this would have been like 83 I was early yeah 82 83 so at the time Dusty’s probably based out of Florida and probably helping book the territory am I wrong on that yeah I want to say dusty was in Florida or Atlanta and you know and then he was in the south and he was a dream and dusty Dusty drew big money all over the country you can bring dusty into Texas brought dusty into Florida the mid-atlantic st. Louis wherever wherever dusty went he normally worked on top and drew money so that was attractive to Benson he and he drew money in the garden so he was a proven commodity so Vince senior really liked a book I don’t know ethnicity I’m trying to find the right way to say that he had someone for the Italians he had someone for the Puerto Ricans he had someone for the Irish what the hell is dusty cater into the common man the American dream dusty appealed to everybody right because you know he didn’t have the bodybuilder body physique he appealed to that common guy who’s sitting there drinking a beer going you know what I could kick his ass and dusty allowed them to live vicariously through the American dream so that was something that bent saw in him way back when in the early eighties so you fast forward to 1989 when dusty came in and dusty coming in he was coming in as the American dream which at the time if you remember we didn’t really use guy’s gimmicks right that they used previously you know Vince had to change everybody and make them his own but he let dusty use his name and the gimmick so when you’re saying he came in do you know how that comes about did he call Vince that Vince call him I’m sure you know word gets around it goes through the wrestling grapevine and people are aware in New York that he has an issue in Atlanta but how does that come about do you recall I’m pretty sure dusty called Vince and want to know is there any interest in me coming in and doing some business and the answer was of course yes who wouldn’t want him so he came in as his Dusty Rhodes the American Dream and again Vince having to put his twist on things is where you know the common man and being that everyday guy and that’s where we came up with the vignettes of you know if y’all now can kind of pizza man and a man kind of plumb in and let me wash that windshield for you an Americana butcher and all those different vignettes that we did with him at the time to just make him that that common man that everybody could relate to so I assume he comes to Stanford comes to the office comes to the tower you guys sit down and Vince says okay I want to make you a plumber is that the pitch no not really the actually he sent me down to Tampa to meet with dusty along with bobby heenan and explained the whole idea and Vince had talked to dusty ahead of time and and kind of explained the idea in grandiose terms right but when Bobby and I went down to meet with dusty we met him in uh in the old Florida Championship Wrestling offices oh wow and we went in I explained to him the vignettes that we had what we were gonna shoot over the next couple days we did the pizza one we did the plumber man and I think I think we did a total of three in Tampa and then we did the rest of them up in Connecticut but we laid it out and it was it was an interesting meeting let me put it that way it was dream was kind of looking at us like he used to do kind of out of the side of his Saturdays I bawled if you will and I think dusty might have thought it was a rib so okay so what you’re saying is dusty didn’t really trust that this was on the up and or you thought maybe you guys were gonna bury him or he just wasn’t trusting of the situation is that fair to say I I think he might have thought that we were yanking his chain a little bit there and so lo and behold Vince comes down the next day just shoot the vignettes with us and Vince and dusty had a heart-to-heart talk walking around Bobby Heenan’s neighborhood and decision was made this is what we’re gonna do and let’s go have some fun with it and and we shot the vignettes we shot the plumber first and then we shot the pizza man and like salving we shot one other one down there that I don’t really remember but those you know again to talk about all we did it is a rib we never looked at anything as hey let’s do this as a rib won’t this be a great joke and let’s spend all of this money and invest all of this time and energy on a television product because it’s a rib now we really looked at it as you think this is gonna draw okay now for those of you paying attention at home at this time there is a character on WWF TV named the Million Dollar Man and what is the Million Dollar Man servant named Virgil and you’re gonna tell me that he had no reason to believe that anything you’re saying was a rib it wasn’t necessarily a rib the Virgil deal it was just what if oh my gosh listen to you Spence it’s a it’s a name that came up it’s a name that fit and you know worked at the time and at the time dusty was in charge of Crockett in the NWA in the Mid Atlantic territory and you know it might have been suggested as a dig on dusty but at the same time it worked it’s it now who may who may or may not have made that suggestion to name the manservant Virgil well I really don’t recall I think it was Joel Watts I kinda I can’t say for sure alright so now I’m curious and this is the wrestling nerd in me when you’re shooting stuff like this in Tampa are using a local television crew or do you fly people down from New York do you get permits to go shoot all this are you just doing this guerilla style how are these type of old-school vignettes doing because I think any classic WWF you know memory has to include the way these characters were introduced to that series of vignettes how did that come about well back in the day it was easier to ask forgiveness than permission so most of the time you ask me how I did um a lot of times I would just shoot first and let them ask questions later but I always had my own crews Kerwin Sophie’s who’s the director of the television show Kerwin he used to come down and help direct but it was all of our own people it was our own crew and guys that we worked with every week so when you and Bobby go down to have this conversation does is the crew already there or do you follow them down the next day or what’s the plan for that like when he says okay let’s do it baby that’s a terrible does the crew the crew he’d come in that day or that evening to shoot the next day so the question is he gonna go for it it’s a matter of this is what we’re doing or not this is what we’re doing we were there to shoot vignettes we were there to get this thing kicked off so when you’re meeting with him is there anybody else in the meeting or is it just Bobby Burton dusty did that mean it was just Bobby Bruce and dusty okay so after everybody kind of agrees and says hey this is what we’re gonna go do is dusty living in Florida does everybody kind of go their separate ways and we just say meet you under the sink tomorrow or what’s the play basically yeah it’s uh we went back to my hotel Bobby and I did and of course Bobby lived there but Vince wanted to know how the meeting went weren’t cell phones at that time so he had to go back in Donna on a phone in a hotel and talk about it and he decided to come on down to make sure there was no no interpretations or confusion on interpretation with the dream so that dusty understood this was coming from Vince and this is how Vince envisioned this character and when they talked everybody was on board and dusty loved it and he I thought he did a great job I thought he jumped in with both feet I thought that he did a hell of a job you know we had fun with it and that’s what it was supposed to be they were supposed to be fun light-hearted and to introduce him knock is this ass-kicker that he I think envisioned himself as that he had always been positioned as the top babyface ass-kicker it was more of a of an attraction based deal that you know American Dream Dusty Rhodes and he’s the common man everybody can relate to him and let’s introduce him that way you got to remember to to the WWF audience especially then who right we’re only who only saw the superstars of wrestling on Saturday mornings and they didn’t know the Dusty Rhodes was yep so this was a new character to them to the traditional fan they did know who dusty was and they and they they got it but you know no it wasn’t a rib it was something to enhance his character and introduce him to a whole new fan base so tell me about the first time that you remember dusty and Vince are in the same room what that have happened then in Tampa or would he have been to New York Bobby well at that point for this you’re talking about it in the 80s when he came in that was probably the first time they were together in person was so was that next morning in Tampa at that point had they already negotiated the terms of a contract like they had okay and yes Vince at the time is kind of famous for he’s not giving guarantees it’s a rough no okay no opportunity guarantee let me hear the Vince McMahon pitch to Dusty Rhodes on an opportunity when he’s coming from headlining in Jim Crockett we got down how you done great in the past imagine what you can do with the machine behind you we’ve got action figures we’ve got magazines we’ve got it all we’ve got pay-per-view we’ve got Madison Square Garden you know it was something that he was able to offer them that they didn’t have before imagined it was a lot more yeah and it was yeah normally it was so to being able to give a guy like that the opportunity to come in and draw and make more money than he had previously because there’s more opportunity to make money more revenue streams with merchandising and everything else you know that I think that was what attracted dusty to it didn’t initially but it also may be fair to say that you know dusty didn’t have a whole lot of leverage 1989 was not like 1979 at this point it was one burnt bridge now in Atlanta you know not forever but for a little while so if he was gonna still stay in the business and and earn a good living it was pretty much New York or bust is that wrong at that point yeah dusty dusty was doing his championship wrestling from Florida promotion that he had there in Tampa turnbuckle wrestling or whatever it was and running shows in the Tampa area and that was that was all he had at the time so this was this was a godsend for him this was a big opportunity that he didn’t want to squelch and you know you talk about ribs and everything and I don’t remember I don’t want to be rib but probably the the one and only time maybe not but I did have a little fun with dusty when we were shooting things at different points especially when we got to the butcher shop and we put dusty we made him take his shirt off and put the butcher smock on him and as I’m standing there looking at him after about the third take and I realized you know the and and the real butcher is standing right there you know watching with right looking at the real butcher and I’m looking at dusty looking at the real butcher I’m looking at dusty and the see smock is pristine white and I said you know he’s just not dirty enough and they have in the back in butcher shops they would have like meat and the juice and the blood would congeal and collect in the bottom of these tray crying’s like that and so I might have taken a tray of bloody meat blood and dirtied him up a little bit to look like an actual real Americana butcher if you will and had a little fun with that and kind of got it all over his puppies to make him look like he’d actually been back there working in a meat counter baby they’re cutting from meat and having a little butcher time but he was you know he he was game he did it all you know the Americana taco stand and whole nine yards man we had a lot of fun with those in my head he would have been one take Johnny with a lot of that stuff because he seems like he just has natural charisma was that fair sighs he does but again with with dream he does have natural charisma and if it were dreams idea dream coming out with it I think he would have been one take Johnny but he was trying so hard to become the common man right that he was forcing it and it wasn’t as natural as everything else that he did so it took a little while and once he got comfortable with it you know it was dream it was easy to do so we had we had a lot of fun with that so in this first initial meeting now Vince McMahon is in the room dusties there any memorable moments or pieces of conversations or tidbits that you recall from all you guys being together for the first time no you know it was it Benson dusty went took a walk and had a private conversation one-on-one and dusty came back with a great attitude and ready to go to work Wow okay so so that was no I was not privy to that and nor was Bobby they we all met at Bobby’s house and then said let’s how to talk pal and they went took a walk walked around the block a couple times came back and he was ready to go dusty had to be I don’t mean this in a negative way cuz he’s one of my all-time favorites as you know but just might be a little cocky or arrogant or confident or whatever you wanted to say did any of that rub Vince the wrong way it times it might have rubbed people the wrong way but you know what Vince rubs people the wrong way sometimes are the same reasons and you know you can be cocky and arrogant if you can back it up and dream dream could back it up you know dream had done all those things dream was the man you know he was on top of the mountain and nobody could touch Dusty Rhodes in a lot of respects so him walking in with the chip on his shoulder it was it was warranted but I think there were a lot of guys that maybe had worked for dusty in the past they might have felt that they were treated unfairly that looked at him like ah we’re getting a humble him which you know there was a little he wasn’t welcomed with open arms in the locker room right away and so normally I would say without naming names but screw that name some names who would who would have not been comfortable with probably guys who he used to work with and Jim Craig yeah essentially guys guys were but he was working on him before Jake Jake worked with him in Georgia what what Jake have had a problem what ted dibiase you had a problem I think that it was more of again it goes back that rumor and innuendo type thing and guys that had worked with them maybe they felt they should have gotten a better payoff on this night or what have you and this guy’s going around in jets and Mane coats and limousines and dropping all this money everywhere there might have been a little jealousy there but it was just a general overall feeling guys that had never met dusty before had a preconceived notion that what he was Eve notion I say and you know when when you get to know dusty he’s well the sweetest human beings you will ever ever have had the pleasure to have known and experienced it takes a little while for him to open up and do that and let somebody in what any of the old-timers from the WWF have taken you know some of his counter-programming for people who maybe don’t remember whatever the WWF would have a big event the NWA would try to counter program it with a free event and just to try to distract and those lots of you know heated rivalry stuff that was happening in the mid and late 80s but any of the old-timers like a Gorilla Monsoon I don’t mean to specifically name him but you know a Lanza or whoever’s there at the time had some sort of mixed emotions about dusty being there I think maybe on the surface they might have but you mentioned Gorilla Monsoon gorilla welcomed him with open arms and gorilla was one of those guys who he and dusty were friends when they had worked together in different places and he knew dusty they welcomed him with open arms in there you know once dusty comes in and you get to know dusty not in a supervisor role where I as your boss this is just one of the boys please he’s he’s the best so talk to me about what everybody really wants to talk about and we’ve talked for 20 minutes now and not addressed it polka dots where does this come about what’s the meeting like when somebody first says polka dots it was no meeting it was a TV taping and dusty was in the ring and Vince I’m at gorilla position watching the monitor of Vince’s standing in front of me Pat Patterson’s nearby and Vince is watching the monitors is you know I see him in polka dots all right what dusty polka dots giant yellow polka dots looking at him like okay you know all right you see him polka dots dusty comes back through the curtain having had his match great let me talk to you real quick and you see the two old kind of having a little powwow off to the side and Vincent’s doing his hand gestures polka dots and there’s polka dots everywhere polka-dots got it it’s gonna set you apart and dusty kind of looking at him like are you ribbing me baby and then serious is heart attack polka dots and polka dots were born next TV dusty had black tights a yellow polka dot everywhere he had his little shirt made with polka dots and that’s where they came from not a rib it was something to enhance him to make his his dressed and everything about him be a little bit different than what he had been in before you know the black tights and the dr on his tights so no it wasn’t a rib it wasn’t some conceived meeting let’s make fun of dusty it was it was a vision that benz had enacted on so at summerslam and 99 he wrestles the honky Tonk Man that on paper doesn’t seem like a match that would have ever happened but it did how did that maths come about do your call I you know what I really don’t but I do recall the sing-off that we did with honky tonk man doing his there’s a honky Tonk Man and dusty was like you know baby I can sing I can sing better than him I’m putting here and he was serious sure he said limit thing I do I do a great rendition of Johnny be bad and we brought a band into the studio on Stanford Connecticut and we had dusty dude Johnny me bad and he was horrible midway through it sit there half what if we changed the words from Johnny be bad – dusty be bad and that kind of threw him off a little bit but that’s what we went with you know with dusty doing dusty be bad in the studio and it was absolutely hilarious and I would have to say that was the only time then honky Tonk Man sounded better than anybody sing well that’s how fun it’s hard to imagine you know now because he’s really a caricature and hunt sighted but oh he talked man had serious heat I mean he was a hated heel back then so that would that was a make sense program he had he not only in the audience he had heat in the locker room everywhere he went again he now honky tonk man he was a great heel he was just so easy to work with and and he loved and he loved the heat which a great heel does so let’s look at his other big matches when he’s there we were all on to Wrestlemania his very first WrestleMania and of course dusty is credited with creating Starrcade which was the NWA s premier show and now he’s finally out of Wrestlemania it’s WrestleMania six that’s in Toronto and he is wrestling the macho King how does that come about this is another match where you just seemingly what is going on here’s a WWF guy and now here is really a guy we all identify as an NWA guy and maybe you know a year or two earlier this would have been a dream match because both of those guys were near the top of their game and now you know ones in polka-dots and ones wearing a crown what happened it was to the stop top stars in the game it was Randy and dusty and the characters the macho King looking down on everybody and the guys that the macho Kings looking down upon or the common people and you got the leader of the common people the common man the American Dream Dusty Rhodes and you got miss sapphire you got Queen Sherri it was a match made in heaven and it was I tell you a great story because I had been out with them during the summer and it was a mixed tag team match with the Macho King and Queen Sherri against dusty in sapphire in dusty and sapphires corner was Miss Elizabeth in savages corner was brother love oh so we did these matches all around the horn and it was without a doubt some of the most fun I have ever had in the business because dusty and I would travel together a lot during that time I either traveled with with Randy and Liz where I traveled with dusty and oh my god we just had a blast together just up and down the roads and having a lot of fun but when we first started this match we laid out the match Randy liked to lay things out we laid out the match and dusty dictated a lot of it if you will and the match in short kind of consisted of myself Randy and sherry running into Dusty’s elbow [Laughter] dream didn’t move the elbow just stayed up in position and our heads found it I say and I am having an absolute blast every night just working with dusty having fun working with Randy and sherry and everybody I mean we are having a blast and we’re kind of doing the same thing every night every night you know and we’re doing this for about 2 3 4 weeks maybe three weeks and then we finally get to Hamilton Ontario and we got a double shot so we’re doing a show in the afternoon and another show that night in Toronto well Pat Patterson is the agent for both shows and Pat has not yet seen our match this is what have you guys been doing this is well you know we’ll show you tonight so we go out or during the day the first show so we go out and we have the match and we come back and I like what you think this is how are you guys getting the Toronto said well we actually were gonna ride with some buddies this ride with me this Pat Patterson telling Randy and myself and Liz to ride with him right so we get in the car you know he had a limousine and we get in the car and on the way there Pat tells us it was one of the worst matches he had ever seen Wow he says I hated it oh my god Randy you’re a WWF Champion and you’re out there you’re bumping all over for him and you’re not getting anything in and he makes you look like a piece of garbage and essentially he’s getting Randy fired up cause he’s like telling he’s abusing you and now you’re pumping and you’re making he doesn’t do anything and you’re a champion and everybody they love you and brother love what the hell because you get in for the match you get in one time one time only you got he why you go in and bump all over for him we think about it and Pat’s telling us everything that’s wrong with the match that we laid out that we loved right he’s making sense he’s making a lot of sense but to be just real blunt man we were fans of dusty and we were having a good time with the dream and doing all his stuff so he says let’s come up with a different match so we come up with a completely different match with basically Randy controlling the majority of the match and getting heat on dusty and dusty making us come back and brother love gets in at the very end and dusty gets one shot at brother love and that’s the finish and and we’re out of there so we get to Toronto and we have this match Randy and I have this whole match laid out I mean we’ve got it got it completely laid out and randy says he’s fired up I mean he’s just all bowed up he’s ready to go and he’s like where’s Virgil where is he and he hadn’t gotten there you let me know soon as he gets in and we need to talk to him so dusty comes in puts his bag down and they say hey Dusty’s in the back dressing room over there so we go marching in and and Randy goes over to dusty green we need to talk to you for a minute in here so we walk around the corner going to the shower that’s where you had all your private me is it a shower or bathroom stall so we we get in and Randy starts off and going oh yeah no we’re talking to pan about the match and he didn’t like it then we had we had some changes and things like that and we’re gonna make some changes tonight so um brother look we hadn’t tell them what the match is gonna Ramy like why me and go ahead go ahead and so I lay the match out to dusty and dusty is got his back against the wall in the shower and is looking at me with these giant bug eyes doesn’t say a word throughout the entire spiel and we’re finished and range like okay very what you think and dreams just look sexes maybe I’m you know this is kind of like somebody I’m going in and grab him Babe Ruth then I’m pulling him in the shower telling him how to hit the ball if you will and there’s silence and Randi Susan will be that’s what we’re doing tonight [Laughter] it was just classic dusty and we went out you know we tore it up but yeah his brother yeah okay babe and from that point on he was babe to us and that’s amazing every night we were a beep that’s what we’re doing baby you know typical dusty so you mentioned a minute ago sapphire I’m really struggling with this how is this not a real sapphire as a valet first of all who is she where do y’all find there whose idea was it and then what was Dusty’s reaction it’s a lot of questions I got a question for you first okay yeah why do you think sapphire is a rib okay the valets in wrestling at the time are Missy Hyatt Miss Elizabeth is there another one okay well Missy Missy Hyatt I don’t think I don’t know she was active at the time or but she may have been with Eddie Gilbert at the time look at Eddie Gilbert look at Missy Hyatt look at Miss Elizabeth look I’m Randy Savage so are you telling me that when you compare those and you’re looking at a female counterpart to the male counterpart the common man would have a common woman by his side he wouldn’t have some beautiful stripper esque gorgeous girl by sight he’d have a common woman they have a common common lady by side so are you going to suggest that cefr was not a rib absolutely not sapphire was there to enhance dusty in the American dream and the common man that wasn’t a rib again I keep going to the same point we didn’t do things for a rib and especially invest that much money on something and a character oh let’s just have fun with him no it was it was there to enhance that character and make him more relatable was there any thought put into her being black was that not at age ik well you know it was I don’t know that it necessarily was we need a black woman no we needed a common woman and Juanita who was sapphire was a former lady wrestler from Kansas City that had you know she had wrestled around the circuit has princess something or other but Terri Garvin knew of a woman and when we started talking about we need a common woman and he says I’ve got just the person you know and it would help if she had taken bumps before and different things like that but we didn’t want a striking Beauty if you will not to say that sapphire wasn’t beautiful in her own way but we were looking for just a common woman and she fit that bill who suggested her who suggested the character sapphire sapphire specifically who said hey I know a lady that was Terry Garvin look who came up with her yeah who found her who in the meeting said we need a common woman husband’s okay yeah all right so now here’s the big one dusty think about working with her I don’t know the dream was necessarily thrilled with working with sapphire I don’t think that he felt he needed any enhancement so I think dusty he kind of looked at her as a handicap versus an enhancement so I don’t know why I’m not brain and Matt automatically went there but when you said the word enhancement a lot of people online refer to that era of the WWF as the steroid era was there any pressure or any conversation about dusty trying to change his physique and by saying that I don’t mean necessarily that anybody say go take steroids I’m not asking that I’m asking that he feel the need to try to trim down to drop some weight was there any conversation about him just trying to change his physique for WWF television yes there was and dusty brought that up and dusty when he started and he came up in conversation with Vince told Vince that he was eating salads and chicken breasts and was on a diet and exercising and hitting the treadmill and all these things and Vince looked at him and said why I want you as you are I want to see the puppies I want the plam I don’t change a thing so to the contrary and dusty felt that he needed to get in get in shape maybe he will dusty was in great shape an incredible athlete he was a big guy right but he could move for a big guy in you know I laugh when people would say oh my God look at that sloppy something how can that be an athlete he was a stud throughout his entire career even then he couldn’t move and he could go so help me understand when you’re saying puppies and I know I’m circling back to something silly here are you suggesting that Vince McMahon coined that phrase and not Jerry Lawler are you crushing all of my dreams here today and then go crushing your dreams there pal yes so Vince McMahon that’s a Vince turn okay I don’t think that well I didn’t know that maybe the whole internet know that not didn’t but so the music is iconic the Dusty Rhodes theme song is that something that you guys just had the can for somebody at some point or was that specific for dust years as far as the beat and all that obviously they’re sent 100% specific for Dusty Rhodes written and performed by Jimmy Hart Wow and that was that was for for dusty and Jimmy wrote it and with his partner I think his partner’s name was Jimmy McGuire and they knocked it out of the park you know Jimmy Hart also did Big Boss Man 2 2 a conic themes for sure yeah so without a doubt definitely for Dusty Rhodes so then as we continue to talk about the pay-per-views macho would work again with dusty at SummerSlam but then Survivor Series 1990 Dusty Rhodes is on the babyface team and there is a debut he’ll character on the opposite side of the ring and it’s Kane the Undertaker and then that was pretty much the beginning of the end for dusty kind of tell us your memories about you know mean Mark callous then debuting at that Survivor Series and Dusty’s involvement in that match because they would have certainly crossed paths in the past did anybody have any sort of issue with putting over this new guy so strong and then kind of what was the Exodus for dusty from the Derby to VF you know I don’t remember that obviously but there was there was no problem at all with making sure that everybody in that match it was that match was designed to get the Undertaker over and a huge debut and to make him look like a a killer in there and dusty was a big part of that you know it may have been the fact that I just whipped Dusty’s ass so bad on the outside of the ring that night that he had to leave in shame having brother love mark his ass on the outside of the ring then maybe that’s why I had to stick his tail between his legs and leave but not know actually what dusty left dusty had an opportunity to go back to Atlanta you know in a booking position and he went to Vince and says hey you know they got a shake-up down here and I’ve been offered my old job back in Vince wouldn’t stand in his way now here’s my question we started this conversation and I do want to circle back to Dustin for a minute but I want to follow up on that thought right there because we started this conversation by talking about you know Vince didn’t really make guarantees on contracts and we just talked through what the Vince pitch was and it was kind of understood that most guys would believe they would make more money and you said in most cases they do so if this is for more money and he’s making more money right now why the hell would he want to go back to his old job power and the lure more money there so he felt like the booking position there would pay more than a performer with dolls and magazines and everything else right because he was in charge and he was also working and in a position to put himself in a top position and be a part of everything which he didn’t do when he went back by the way he went back as a Booker but no I don’t you know I don’t think he didn’t book himself in and he didn’t book himself into that now so the last you know sort of time we’ll see him on WWF TV for a long time is the Royal Rumble 1991 right around that early 1991 period and he’s tagging with Dustin Rhodes is there any sort of irony in the fact that they are wrestling Ted DiBiase and Virgil on his way out but it’s Virgil versus Virgil is there any real thought put into that because that to to me seems like a rib that Virgil Reynolds last pay-per-view match is against a character manservant that was also named Virgil after him absolutely not because we we had done the program with DiBiase and and brought Dustin in and it was just conclusion to that program how does that come out does dusty recommend Dustin come into the to New York or does Vince ask about him no dusty recommended him he was in Kansas City at the time and we were coming through there and he we actually put him on some of the house shows that we had and Dustin did a hell of a job so we brought him in and did a little something with him at the time why was there not a play to try to keep him or do something bigger with him and just instead of just letting him go back with his dad because dusty wanted him at okay dusty wanted him to come with him and out of respect to dusty you know it’s that’s the other thing that people don’t always realize with Vince McMahon is I know there are times and he’s maybe gone back on his word with some people but for the most part if he gives you his word he’s gonna do something he’ll do it in he’s fair and he’s he really doesn’t do things out of malice right you know there’s exceptions to that rule obviously but dusty had an opportunity to go back and that’s what he was gonna be happy doing having the booking position in Atlanta and Vince was like if you’re gonna be happier there I don’t want somebody here that’s gonna be unhappy and if your son feels more comfortable being there working with you and you want him I’m not gonna stand in his way either so those are things that he’s done a lot of times over the years that people don’t realize and they wonder well that doesn’t make any sense it did because for the right business reasons of having happy camper or unhappy camper go ahead and if you get an unhappy camper get them out of camp yeah that makes sense so let’s talk about some fun stuff all it’s kind of rapid-fire some of these I’m sure you’ve got some fun stories here true or false Dusty Rhodes in the locker room cowboy boots and not much else yeah pretty much or a t-shirt but no pants no pants no first thing dream dude when he got into a locker room was drop his drawers what why does dusty hate pants so much I don’t know maybe maybe he got shaved or something but yes that’s the true story that’s pretty much true wherever he was your favorite dusty rib dusty had to have a great sense of humor based on what we look what little we fans know there has to be a fun dusty rib since nothing was real sapphire wasn’t real poker nights weren’t a rib there’s no such thing as a rib but dusty had to have a good sense of humor and rib somebody had no does he had a great sense of humor I don’t know well it was a rib on me but it was just kind of funny to give you an example of Dusty’s kind of sense of humor we were in Cincinnati and dream and I were traveling together and dusty always liked to stay off the beaten path away from everybody else and we pull up to a hotel a brand new Hilton Hotel the Cincinnati Airport we pull up sapphire sure he pulled up right behind us now we had no idea where we were staying at night we were gonna go in and see if they had rooms and they pull up go oh hey you guys staying here and this is yeah baby we stand here but they sold out for the night y’all need to be there the nice little Fairfield being over there or Hampton Inn down the three real nice for y’all I called in they got reservations for y’all over there when I thought they didn’t have no more rooms over him and would send the girls on the way so that nobody would stay with us we go in all right and dream is telling me pulling in Bonnie let me handle this because I stay here all the time they know me here I give us a good rate walk in and now this place is brand spanking new it says here all the time you stayed there all the time I gave a good rate let me handle everything and we walk in and the girl says oh hey welcome we’re so happy to have you this is our first weekend open I’m gonna dream like stay here all the time right I mean they just built this place and just opened it a week ago so we go we go in and dream and I have made plans to go to a movie that afternoon before the show so we we go in and we go to our separate rooms and I throw my bags in my room and I go to Dusty’s room and I knock on the door and walk in and he’s there pants pants t-shirt on sitting on the bed and he turns TV on and on the TV it says the Cincinnati Airport Hilton welcomes dusty roads on the on the TV screen and looks you know I’m looking at that and and I’m like what the hell and goes all men go they do that all the time he goes I attend them always tell them don’t they don’t need to do that to let everybody know I’m here and all that you know I I don’t like it when they do that so I’m like yeah okay sorry I’m think about it I’m just thinking it’s odd that you turn on the TV in her Hilton is welcoming Dusty Rhodes now you gotta go back in time to 1989 when technology wasn’t as sophisticated as it is now yeah so we decide he decides that he’s too tired to go to a movie and he’s just gonna hang out in the room so I go back to my room turn the TV on and the Cincinnati Airport Hilton welcomes Bruce Prichard so now I get okay you know you check in your room they program your name they welcome you on the screen so I call you asshole I said something they did for air Biggles no I hung in had what was I thought your faith when you look at the TV and thought they had only recognized me and I calmed down to the death gotta hate not put booth pictures name up the on the TV so he don’t feel bad that’s the kind of sense of humor II had and that’s you know the the way that he was and you could call BS on all of it and he would he would look around the faith and go na bong again I did that for you baby I want you to feel bad so you mentioned a minute ago that you guys rode together you’ve got to have a good dusty road story well well does he first came in and nobody wanted to ride with him we did a tour through the Northeast and dream and I rode together in my little tiny Honda Prelude and for those of you who don’t know what a Honda Prelude is it’s basically a little two-seater sports car made by Honda small and dusty and I picked him up and we we made the Northeast run and so on and so forth and along this run i was it was Dusty’s first house show run with the WWF at the time and I’m telling dreamed things like you know dusty being on our TV you’re gonna have more notoriety than you ever ever dreamed of pun intended right and he would look at me and just be like incredulous po-han I am the second most recognizable athlete in the world second only to Muhammad I lead and I just kind of looking like gold well you know what I I’m willing to bet worldwide Hulk Hogan’s maybe a little more recognizable than you and there’s probably a few others and so I knew i from the very first response that he was the second most recognizable athlete in the entire world second only to Muhammad Ali I knew that bothered him a little bit right that I would question his notoriety sure it’s not kind of needle them on the on the whole trip and there they answered yeah I understand right you going out here too they’re not gonna know who you are but once you get on our TV and you get that exposure you know audiences are gonna get to know you and you’ll you’ll start getting responses again but but don’t expect it at first because they don’t know who you are really pulling in I’m the second most recognizable athlete in the entire world second only to Muhammad Ali if you can imagine four days in a Honda Prelude of listening to the second most recognizable athlete in the entire world today second only to Muhammad Ali I’m like okay man I get it you know you’re your second most recognizable athletes on so forth so we end up the tour in Hershey Pennsylvania and we’re coming back and he’s staying in Manhattan and I lived in Connecticut so I got to drop him off and then I’m heading home so it been a long four days with Virgil and Pumpkinhead in this tiny little Prelude and on the way back I like to drive fast and I was little heavy on the little gas there at the time going through New Jersey on the Jersey Turnpike or whatever it was and all of a sudden I see these nice red white and blue lights shining behind me wah-wah-wah yes and some of the fine state troopers from the great state of New Jersey we’re requesting that I pull my car over it is I’m doing this I share with dusty that there might have been a substance in the trunk of my car that wasn’t all together universally legal at the time today’s day and age of this substance I had is legal in several states and prescribed by doctors but at that time it was kind of frowned upon so it was heroin there but I did inhale so is we you know something like going okay be cool man you know is Texas if you go over like I think it’s 96 or whatever the speed limit is but let’s just take you straight into jail right and I know I was going over a hundred so we pull over and I roll the windows down and this can go one of two ways either can get nice cop or you’re gonna get asshole cop well the police approached my car one on each side we roll both windows down and the guy comes over ask for license and registration I give it all to him and he asks me questions is do you have any idea how fast you were going before anything can come out of my mouth dream pops up with officer last time I looked over there he was doing at least eighty eight mile but now I told him to slow down thanks a lot buddy and the cop shines light both of our faces and asked that dreaded question oh no actually I take it back he didn’t ask a question yet so he takes takes my little thing he walks back to his car and they sit back through what seems like forever the police in the car the run of my license doing all this stuff and I just I’m praying that they’re gonna give me a ticket and be on my merry way don’t open the trunk don’t don’t ask me to get out don’t open the trunk nothing Goods dream was you know I had a few beers on the on the other side of the car as well so cop comes back both sides windows down shines a light in the car again he says uh you guys rustlers so here’s where the decision comes all right do you say yes and hopefully the guy’s a fan and gonna give you a break or do you you know or do you say yes and he’s not a fan and he hates wrestlers and he just messes with you or you say no and you just go on your merry way now I’m completely out of makeup I’ve got really long hair my hair is dry and it’s all down and don’t look anything like that guy on TV brother love and I answered the question yes sir we are hoping that the guy sitting next to me might help me get out of this because he is the second most recognizable athlete in the world second only to mom Holly and the cop looks at us and shine on the light right in our faces Jesus man cash question because are you brother love and again do I answer yes I’m an asshole people hate me and I are yes sir because I knew it I knew it oh my god my captain is the biggest fan could I get an autograph of course you can so now I know I got a fan I do the autograph I go to pass it over to dusty and the guy shines the light over on dusty and he looks at him and goes are you a wrestler – and he incredibly looks over that cop goes I am the American Dream Dusty Rhodes in the cop on Dusty’s side of the window pokes his head in goes are you still on that AWA Wow they let me go with not even a warning they tell me there’s no more cops between here in New York and send me on my way and there’s silence in the car and as we’re driving along and probably about I don’t know two three miles he doesn’t say a word I don’t say a word and finally I just look over at him and I say thick and most recognizable athlete in the world second only to brother love and yeah so don’t think I haven’t told that story if you especially loved telling it in his presence because he would he would ve denied babies Nami dusty was great man I loved traveling with Virgil well man that was a great story I can’t think of a better way for us to end our dusty roads story what happened when dusty Rhodes came to New York and there we know the rest of the story but I’ve got a question man I need to know where I can see you in person this weekend because I really got to take you to task about your opinions on Sasha banks finn bálor and sami zayn where can i do that personally well if you are lucky enough to be in the great state of Texas right outside of Houston Texas in Pasadena Texas at the Pasadena Convention Center this Saturday August the six it’s gonna be the icons of wrestling and it’s gonna be a hell of a group of people together we’re gonna be there meeting the fans signing autographs taking pictures Booker T will be there one-man gang Vickie Guerrero Billy Gunn The Sandman hey that’s one of your favorites Scott Norton Thea Trinidad and me so come on out it’s at the Pasadena Civic Center and Pasadena Texas this Saturday from 11 o’clock till 4:00 o’clock in the afternoon we’ll all be there and love to meet you you would love to meet them doesn’t mean I’d like to meet them but you can tomorrow come check us out actually I won’t be there I’m gonna be dodging all the hate mail from Sasha banks and finn bálor all right Bruce this was a lot of fun man first ones down in the can we’re wrapping up the very first episode of something to wrestle with what do you think wow I went by quick I mean it it felt like we started and we’re already finished so it was a lot of fun I’m having a lot of fun with this and can’t wait for the weeks to come it’s been the highlight of my wrestling fandom in the time I’ve known you just kind of sitting under the learning tree picking your brain and we want to involve you the listener in that process we knew what we were going to do this week to kind of honor the dream right around the one-year anniversary of his passing but now we want to know from you what do you want to hear about so we want you to go ahead and tweet us you can reach Bruce on twitter at at Bruce Prichard Konrad go ahead and throw us a follow on there and then send us a tweet what would you like to see us cover next week be sure to use hashtag love to know that’s hashtag love to know what would you love to know we’ll cover it next week on what happened win of course you can send Bruce an email Bruce what’s the email they can contact you directly with you send me an email is something to wrestle with at aol.com real simple it’s name of the show something to wrestle with at a old al comm I’m old school I’m an older guy so you know that flings the old aol.com I was about to bust your balls about that I feel like you signed up for that when you got a free cd-rom in your computer magazine in 1995 is that fair that’s exactly correct yes okay so we have ladies and gentlemen the first 21 year old email address in the history of podcasting something to wrestle with at aol.com in the meantime go ahead and throw us a follow and a subscribe down that is actually how we pay the bills this podcast of course is free to you right here on the mlw radio network but we’re trying to get some advertisers we’re trying to get some stuff going and we need your help to make sure this show sticks around so be sure to go ahead and hit that subscribe button and if it’s not too much trouble leave us a review and I don’t want to say how many stars because I know star ratings really piss you off Bruce because you always want to know who descent on iTunes okay there it’s okay what rating should they leave would it be dave meltzer favorite rating oh it’s five stars all the way okay good deal please I’m really looking forward to next week I know a little bit of your personality and what really pisses you off and I can’t wait to slip in as many Dave belts of references as possible well you know hopefully in the weeks to come will address some rumors some innuendos and some things over the years that have urban legend and become fact just because people have written about it enough and no one has ever come out and say no that’s not really what happened well let me tell you what’s going to be written about this episode nobody’s talking about the dream they’re all talking about how Bruce Prichard and Conrad Tops and shit on Finn Balor Sami Zayn and Sasha banks that’s coming out whether we set it up wage that you said all that I love all three of them and think they’re wonderful but you on the other hand hate them all I love everyone I just love some people more some people less and just because I love them doesn’t mean I like them I like it you’re gonna love next week’s show right here something to wrestle with on the mlw radio network [Music] [Music] we’ll never stops [Applause]

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